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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 23:03 |
"I don't lift anymore - I'm married"
So in your opinion squats are for single guys, and cardio is for married people? Or to be more precise and less polemic: Squats are for putting on muscle, while cardio is for improving general health. Well, I think you're seriously mistaken.
In essence they point out that you can't separate cardio-vascular benefits from muscular adaption - and that proper strength training is preferable to cardio workouts because it gives you the cardio-vascular benefits without the drawbacks (overuse injuries, elevated cortisol, takes a lot of time) and in addition you increase or at least maintain your muscle mass. Especially in middle-aged/elderly people health is correlated with muscle mass, and strength training is what preserves muscle, not cardio.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - June 17 2011 at 23:26
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Negoba
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 08:29 |
If you want to gain weight and strength, I think squats are by far the best exercise out there. But spotting and technique are absolutely essential. You can destroy your knees and back with squats. I was able to do the bar and 2 plates on a side (225 lbs. almost double my weight) and could bench my weight long long ago. I don't lift anymore - I'm married. It was a young skinny guy thing trying to fight my body type. It was good for me but cardio is so much more important for general health which is my focus now.
I just started running. It's been a little over 2 months, and I still have so far to go. My first goal is to be able to run a 5k in 30 minutes which may be pushing it. Actually my first goal is to run a 5k without any walking...but at the pace I run those things will actually be pretty close. 90-100 F here when I get home from work makes it alot less fun.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 08:21 |
Very nice!
I only do squats with a 25 lb dumbbell, but I might some day join a gym to use better equipment.
Good luck on exams. I've got one today too (I didn't take it yesterday because I got really sick somehow).
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 07:09 |
Sounds good  Hope you're feeling better bro. Finally reached my goal of squatting 1.75x my own bodyweight, feels awesome. Legs are still tired as hell though. Won't be running until pretty much exactly one week from now, got exams every day next week 
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 09:31 |
I went for a great run last night, and my playlist consisted of Atheist, Opeth, CAB, and Hiromi. It was so refreshing to get back out there and run the stress away again.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 18:18 |
Apsalar wrote:
Joel, did you run much earlier this week, say Tuesday or Wednesday? f**king freezing. I'm almost jealous of everyone sweating it up in 30 degree weather. Thankfully I've only got another three 'n' half weeks till I'm out of here.
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I went on tuesday night and wednesday night, but had the other two days off after that. I usually get home from school/gym at about 5 PM these days and by then it's way too cold to want to do anything in Canberra. I'm also prone to getting sinus infections whenever I do anything in the cold which sucks. Can't wait till summer, running with the sun still up at 7:30PM is the best.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 16:26 |
Ah, I feel so much better now. I can actually walk in a straight line and not feel like going to sleep afterwards. I still think I'm going to wait until tomorrow for running, though. Today is core strengthening day, which went quite well.
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 11 2011 at 23:24 |
I was assuming as much; 'tis a shame 'bout the fruit allergies.
Did a 32k race this morning, I'm not sure whose smart idea that was, been so long since I've done longer stuff. Hit 'the wall' 'bout 27k in, longest last 5k of my life.
Joel, did you run much earlier this week, say Tuesday or Wednesday? f**king freezing. I'm almost jealous of everyone sweating it up in 30 degree weather. Thankfully I've only got another three 'n' half weeks till I'm out of here.
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June
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Posted: June 10 2011 at 20:35 |
Apsalar wrote:
How long are your karate comps.? If in the past you've had a big crash, you could try watering it down, likely it wont taste as nice, but the potency wont be nearly as strong. A lot of runners do this, mainly for the fact they cannot stomach the full strength with their insides jouncing around. I'd probably steer towards fresh fruit over dried fruit in these circumstances, since with dried fruit you've lost all the beneficial waters contained in these foods. It is also very easy to take on too much energy in this form. One would probably not consider eating 5 apricots in one sitting, but can very easily eat 5 dried ones without a second thought., since the waters are not present to tell you 'I'm full' Maybe I'm talking through my arse :P
It's always best to trial these things in a practice environment. On most occasions it comes down to what works for you, so there is always a bit of trial and error till you find a happy medium. |
I do like the idea of watering it down, because I tried some Powerade after my last karate class (over 30 degrees in the dojo... never sweated so much in my life) and this stuff is... urghh. The fruits and nuts were mostly because our breaks are very short (5 minutes tops) so I need to eat quickly, and most fresh fruit I can't eat unless they're cooked or somehow processed (allergic reactions). But I guess I could try eating half a banana or something, that makes sense, thanks.
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 10 2011 at 18:56 |
June wrote:
^ Yeah, that makes sense. After today's run, I really felt still thirsty
even an hour later, so I think I just need to listen to my body.
Speaking of salts (kinda digressing from running here)... I've generally been avoiding all those sport drink type things, but I have a belt event at karate in two weeks and I've thinking about getting something like that, but I'm not sure what would be best. I've never done runs longer than 12km, so I've been sticking to water, but jogging is really not as muscular as karate. So I'm hoping for recommendations.
The last one I had lasted about 4 hours, and I was totally exhausted when it was time to do the fights (after the kion and the katas), despite having eaten dried fruit and 2 granola bars during the (very short) breaks. Suggestions?
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I think it has been a wise choice. I drink the stuff most days, and it is going to do no favours to my teeth in the long run. The salts themselves help retain the fluid you taken on (the salt does make you more thirsty so you drink more), and hence stay hydrated, but also you get the most efficient up take of the carbs, which is the important factor if you exercising for longer durations (60-80min plus) so in general if you're doing recreational running they are not of much use. How long are your karate comps.? If in the past you've had a big crash, you could try watering it down, likely it wont taste as nice, but the potency wont be nearly as strong. A lot of runners do this, mainly for the fact they cannot stomach the full strength with their insides jouncing around. I'd probably steer towards fresh fruit over dried fruit in these circumstances, since with dried fruit you've lost all the beneficial waters contained in these foods. It is also very easy to take on too much energy in this form. One would probably not consider eating 5 apricots in one sitting, but can very easily eat 5 dried ones without a second thought., since the waters are not present to tell you 'I'm full' Maybe I'm talking through my arse :P It's always best to trial these things in a practice environment. On most occasions it comes down to what works for you, so there is always a bit of trial and error till you find a happy medium.
colorofmoney91 wrote:
A couple days later, I still feel fatigued. I'm
making an effort to chow down on a bunch of protein today, in hopes of
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That sucks :( Hope things are on the mend soon.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 10 2011 at 14:29 |
A couple days later, I still feel fatigued. I'm making an effort to chow down on a bunch of protein today, in hopes of healing myself.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 21:43 |
I didn't run, but I walked at about 3 mph for 2 hours straight.
Good enough for now, I guess.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 08 2011 at 07:29 |
Apsalar wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
June wrote:
Urghhh... ankle and shin pain today after barely 4km today.
Adjusting to the +30 celcius temps after months of running at around 15-20 degrees tops is tougher than I remembered. Phewww... Anyone has tricks besides staying hydrated?
I'm not going to take the risk of running after sundown, so I get the feeling I'll have to wake up really early all summer long.
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Besides staying hydrated, just dress lightly and make sure you're breathing steadily. |
A little extension on the hydration. Make sure you keep consuming fluids within the 1 to hour and half post exercise. It's a general rule of thumb you're supposed to replace 1 and half times the amount of fluids (salts, et cetera) lost while exercising.
Color, I assume your working/school as well? I'd try getting a bit more sleep (if possible), and look at your diet a little. I was in a similar situation (tho' I was doing 140-150k a week) a couple of months ago, and really focused on cleaning up my diet. I found this went a long way. Making sure I was eating foods with longer sustaining energy as I was relying on stuff like chocolate for sugar hits then having massive downs afterwards. In the end it was just simple stuff like have blueberries with breakfast, more fresh fruit and vegetables, and being conscious in fueling myself with high protein foods like yoghurt after sessions, cutting coffee intake to one in the morning (which still close to a quadruple shot).
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I am in school, and my diet consists almost entirely of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, and whole grains. I still feel really fatigued, so I think I might just rest for today.
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June
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 20:25 |
^ Yeah, that makes sense. After today's run, I really felt still thirsty
even an hour later, so I think I just need to listen to my body.
Speaking of salts (kinda digressing from running here)... I've generally been avoiding all those sport drink type things, but I have a belt event at karate in two weeks and I've thinking about getting something like that, but I'm not sure what would be best. I've never done runs longer than 12km, so I've been sticking to water, but jogging is really not as muscular as karate. So I'm hoping for recommendations.
The last one I had lasted about 4 hours, and I was totally exhausted when it was time to do the fights (after the kion and the katas), despite having eaten dried fruit and 2 granola bars during the (very short) breaks. Suggestions?
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 19:55 |
colorofmoney91 wrote:
June wrote:
Urghhh... ankle and shin pain today after barely 4km today.
Adjusting to the +30 celcius temps after months of running at around 15-20 degrees tops is tougher than I remembered. Phewww... Anyone has tricks besides staying hydrated?
I'm not going to take the risk of running after sundown, so I get the feeling I'll have to wake up really early all summer long.
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Besides staying hydrated, just dress lightly and make sure you're breathing steadily. |
A little extension on the hydration. Make sure you keep consuming fluids within the 1 to hour and half post exercise. It's a general rule of thumb you're supposed to replace 1 and half times the amount of fluids (salts, et cetera) lost while exercising. Color, I assume your working/school as well? I'd try getting a bit more sleep (if possible), and look at your diet a little. I was in a similar situation (tho' I was doing 140-150k a week) a couple of months ago, and really focused on cleaning up my diet. I found this went a long way. Making sure I was eating foods with longer sustaining energy as I was relying on stuff like chocolate for sugar hits then having massive downs afterwards. In the end it was just simple stuff like have blueberries with breakfast, more fresh fruit and vegetables, and being conscious in fueling myself with high protein foods like yoghurt after sessions, cutting coffee intake to one in the morning (which still close to a quadruple shot).
Edited by Apsalar - June 07 2011 at 19:56
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 18:09 |
June wrote:
Urghhh... ankle and shin pain today after barely 4km today.
Adjusting to the +30 celcius temps after months of running at around 15-20 degrees tops is tougher than I remembered. Phewww... Anyone has tricks besides staying hydrated?
I'm not going to take the risk of running after sundown, so I get the feeling I'll have to wake up really early all summer long.
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Besides staying hydrated, just dress lightly and make sure you're breathing steadily.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 18:07 |
progkidjoel wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I've been feeling super fatigued lately, and I've only been running a total of about 12 miles per week. I guess I should eat more, or run less, or something else - I don't even know. All I know is that I consistently feel like crap. I'll probably still go out for a few miles tonight. I've started running at 8 pm because they days are just way too hot. |
How many hours have you been sleeping for? I find that with pretty much any form of exercise, losing just 1 or 2 hours of sleep a night really screws me over the next day. Are you having any pre/post workout meals? I generally have a banana about an hour before I go running for the extra energy.
Also, remember, taking a week off for rest and working from there never hurt anyone either. You'll probably be better relaxing until you feel better, then getting back into it, than feeling crap and making little to no progress for a month. |
I usually sleep anywhere from 4-6 hours. My post-workout meal is always just a whey protein shake, and I usually eat an apple about 1 hour before I start working out.
I have trouble taking a week for rest, because I'm very paranoid. Last week I took off 4 days from cardio, and I only do 30-50 minutes of exercise each day anyway.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 17:33 |
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I've been feeling super fatigued lately, and I've only been running a total of about 12 miles per week. I guess I should eat more, or run less, or something else - I don't even know. All I know is that I consistently feel like crap. I'll probably still go out for a few miles tonight. I've started running at 8 pm because they days are just way too hot. |
How many hours have you been sleeping for? I find that with pretty much any form of exercise, losing just 1 or 2 hours of sleep a night really screws me over the next day. Are you having any pre/post workout meals? I generally have a banana about an hour before I go running for the extra energy.
Also, remember, taking a week off for rest and working from there never hurt anyone either. You'll probably be better relaxing until you feel better, then getting back into it, than feeling crap and making little to no progress for a month.
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June
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 16:26 |
Urghhh... ankle and shin pain today after barely 4km today.
Adjusting to the +30 celcius temps after months of running at around 15-20 degrees tops is tougher than I remembered. Phewww... Anyone has tricks besides staying hydrated?
I'm not going to take the risk of running after sundown, so I get the feeling I'll have to wake up really early all summer long.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: June 07 2011 at 16:01 |
Actually, I hate how crappy I feel - I'm going to run tomorrow instead. Today will be abs + rest day.
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