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Points: 4521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2011 at 11:34
Originally posted by The Great Duck The Great Duck wrote:

Are people here really unaware of the other,bigger Metal Archives,making MMA more or less useless?


Boo! Metal Archives has a clumsy interface, it doesn't offer half of the functionality that MMA has, and it doesn't promote the reviews enough. I appreciate the site as a reference for facts but that's it.
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Points: 17 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2011 at 10:52
Are people here really unaware of the other,bigger Metal Archives,making MMA more or less useless?
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Points: 4521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2011 at 05:42
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:


I doubt that a concensus made of 25 people would repeatedly make the very same mistake over the course of 6 years and many different evaluations by very different team members.

If I will give you a piece of advice and ask you to contribute about Stratovarius here.


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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2011 at 20:39
Originally posted by Daggor Daggor wrote:

"Somewhere close to" on Dreamspace. I get that you're trying to make a point, and thus drastically overstating your argument, but there is no way to classify Dreamspace anything but absolute prog metal.

I think the site's decision is a matter of bias, because I would say of their 13 studio albums, the first 4 and the most recent 3 (IE more than half) are easily prog metal. 


I hope that you understand that about 25 people were, at some point in time, part of the progressive metal team and none of them signalized support for Strato. The band has been unanimously rejected many, many times and a consensus has been reached that they are simply not material for PA. Since then, the band's was not fomally evaluated anymore and acumulated 13 negative votes and 12 omissions (members who did not formally made a stance about the band).

I doubt that a concensus made of 25 people would repeatedly make the very same mistake over the course of 6 years and many different evaluations by very different team members.

If I will give you a piece of advice and ask you to contribute about Stratovarius here.
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Points: 12 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2011 at 19:37
"Somewhere close to" on Dreamspace. I get that you're trying to make a point, and thus drastically overstating your argument, but there is no way to classify Dreamspace anything but absolute prog metal.

I think the site's decision is a matter of bias, because I would say of their 13 studio albums, the first 4 and the most recent 3 (IE more than half) are easily prog metal. 


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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2011 at 19:16
OK, listen, this band have only been somewhere close to progressive metal @ Dreamscape, period.

One song from their newest album, which I own, is NOT a good enough argument to make them become prog out of nowhere. It was not three weeks ago that I (and the rest of the team) mentioned that their latest isn't prog enough and I don't think our convincement is going to change so fast.
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Points: 12 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2011 at 19:07
There have been 2 released since the topic was closed. As I explained, there's an entirely new core of songwriters, the first 4 albums speak for themselves as prog, and I think the new album pushes it over the top as prog. 

Here's an 18 minute song if you're not convinced.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2011 at 17:42
They've been rejected (as Prog-Metal and also Prog-Related) every time they be suggested ... at least till previous album was released.
Their new album I've not listened to, but are there some dramatic changes in them?
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Points: 12 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2011 at 15:33
I saw that a few years ago there was quite a lengthy discussion on the inclusion of Stratovarius that ultimately sided with them not being included shortly before the release of "Polaris", in 2009. I think, given especially their latest release, "Elysium", that maybe they should be looked at again?

The case:
First of all, the first 4 albums (Fright Night, Twilight Time, Dreamspace, and Fourth Dimension). The next 4 (Episode, Visions, Destiny, and Infinite) moved in a power direction, but it was a kind of progressed power metal that made heavy use of keyboards, technicality, classical influence, and at times, nonstandard song structure.

The next 2 albums (Elements Pt. I, and Elements Pt. II) after that, were very symphonic, different from the previous 4, but more power than prog.

After that, was the highly controversial self titled album, while it wasn't necessarily a consensus GOOD album, it was very prog, making use of instrumental variety, and very dark, prog atmospheres, somewhat similar to Dreamspace.

After that, the band goes through a creative upheaval, with main songwriter Timo Tolkki leaving the band, replaced by Matias Kupiainen, and along with Keyboardist Jens Johansson, and Bassist Lauri Porra (Who had been in the band 3 years before Tolkki's departure) take over the sound. Jens comes from a background of both neo-classical and jazz fusion playing, while Matias comes from a prog background, and Lauri has quite a few different things going on with his writing.

Their newest album, Elysium, contains an 18 minute title track, and the album as a whole very much moves the. band in a prog direction.

My main argument would be that if the band was on the fence before, the previous 2 albums should push them clearly into the prog category. Enjoy


Samples:

Era 1(Tolkki Vocal era):

Era 2(Late 90s fame):

Era 3(Elements): 

Era 3(Self Titled):

Era 4 (Post-Tolkki):
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