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frippism 
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 Posted: June 16 2011 at 02:22 |
 JS19 wrote:
frippism wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Yes it is, if you open your mind to it. I want massive shifts and dynamics and epic feelings and deep swayings...in two minutes. |
That is more or less your average Cardiacs song... no joke |
Haha. Good joke. |
But I just said it wasn't a joke... wait... NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! 
I'm watching you
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JS19
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 02:16 |
frippism wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Yes it is, if you open your mind to it. I want massive shifts and dynamics and epic feelings and deep swayings...in two minutes. |
That is more or less your average Cardiacs song... no joke |
Haha. Good joke.
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frippism
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 01:23 |
Alitare wrote:
Yes it is, if you open your mind to it. I want massive shifts and dynamics and epic feelings and deep swayings...in two minutes. |
That is more or less your average Cardiacs song... no joke
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 15 2011 at 21:56 |
^^^ Not TWO minutes, but if we stretch it to four minutes - the average length of a pop/rock song since about the 70s - we get Boys in the Band, Trees, Sat in Your Lap, Clocks, Supertwister, In this Quiet Earth to name a few. These may not tick all of Alitaire's boxes - as if those are that important anyway - but if the point is to compress prog intrigue into pop 'lengths', it's definitely possible. Oh, come to think of it, even ABBA's Intermezzo No.1 (and hear it PROPERLY before you go ABBA LOLZZ). That is, there is no reason why every prog rock song has to be 15-20 minute sprawl, which I guess is his point.
EDIT: Oh, and completely forgot about Sparks! Almost the entire Kimono My House and Propoganda albums could qualify - appealing pop/rock songs but with lots of changes compressed into 3-4 minute lengths (or, what Queen would sound like with some editing and quality control). Well, I said I only named a few anyway. 
Edited by rogerthat - June 16 2011 at 00:56
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Posted: June 15 2011 at 21:29 |
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^So, good luck searching! If you find, tell us!
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"Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen)
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Alitare
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Posted: June 15 2011 at 20:19 |
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Yes it is, if you open your mind to it. I want massive shifts and dynamics and epic feelings and deep swayings...in two minutes.
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Posted: June 15 2011 at 20:11 |
Alitare wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
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colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad. |
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes. |
I'm sure you do |
Is there something wrong with that? |
Is not possible to make "two minutes prog epics", but I understood what you meant!
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"Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen)
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Alitare
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 20:05 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
Alitare wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad. |
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes. |
I'm sure you do |
Is there something wrong with that?
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Alitare
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 20:04 |
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To like Prog you either have to be intelligent or eccentric, quick or quirky, sensitive or silly, idealistic or idiosyncratic. |
That's a funny statement. You make it out like enjoying progressive rock is a positive personality trait that transcends all other genre loves. Your words imply that those who don't appreciate prog rock are deficient in some way. You aren't saying that explicitly, but it seems like it drips from your words.
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 19:46 |
Alitare wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad. |
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes. |
I'm sure you do
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 10:33 |
I found this list of the Top 100 rock bands of all time (as voted by a bunch of people) and it has a lot of prog & prog-related bands in the list.
5 of prog's Big Six are in the top 50 (three are in the top 20)
In the 70s, the album charts were crammed with prog albums. Tubular Bells hung around in the top 10 for a couple of years, Dark Side Of The Moon was around long enough for newborn babies to become teenagers while it was in the chart, and in the early 70s there was hardly a week went by without a new prog album appearing in the top 20.
People have short attention spans now, they want a superflashy video, a tune they can whistle and forget, and another one two minutes later.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 13 2011 at 01:58 |
Alitare wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad. |
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes. |
Concur to a large extent but I prefer noodly, expansive depth to catchy but shallow fluff, though, yes, I'd prefer a combination of depth and appeal over either of these extremes. What you want has been delivered by very few artists in the history of rock music and on a consistent basis only by the Beatles. I guess as much as I love KC, Genesis etc I am not really much of a proghead because I cannot get myself to like a piece simply because it's long and complex, that by itself is not so important to me.
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frippism
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 13:39 |
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What about the cabbage though? That must be true :0
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 06:36 |
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It is not popular because of the government who has everyone brainwashed to listen to Lady Gaga (must... stay... strong...). It is an obvious plot by the man to steal our cabbage. |
No government conspiracies here. Lady Gaga is one of a line of pop divas which began with Madonna using the power of sex of the new age female to sell the music. Her popularity depends on the freshness of the latest visual gimmick or talking point, usually more over the top than the previous gimmick. Her last show lost a lot of money which may end up bankrupting her. At some point in time people lose interest and it becomes a passing fad. There has to be something underneath the surface of the music, otherwise people eventually wise up.
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resurrection
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 02:36 |
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To like Prog you either have to be intelligent or eccentric, quick or quirky, sensitive or silly, idealistic or idiosyncratic.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 11 2011 at 08:51 |
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad. |
Why do 'interesting and elaborate artworks' have to not be quick, catchy, or fun? I want to make two minute prog epics. I want sweeping, overblown, monolithic, expansive, complex, technical, intricate, but catchy, melodic, and beautiful songs, none over two minutes.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 11 2011 at 08:37 |
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If Prog was popular about 95% of you would pretend you didn't like it
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frippism
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Posted: June 09 2011 at 14:46 |
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It is not popular because of the government who has everyone brainwashed to listen to Lady Gaga (must... stay... strong...). It is an obvious plot by the man to steal our cabbage.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 11:01 |
I think the elaborate nature of prog is too "out-there" compared to what most people usually grow up listening to. Most people seem to want to listen to quick, catchy tunes that are for the sake of fun rather than interesting and elaborate artworks.
Fortunately, some of the modern bands like Coheed & Cambria and Porcupine Tree blend the elaborate songwriting with the modern pop sensibilities and it doesn't sound bad.
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0anaxim
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 10:23 |
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I agree, surely it is more popular than the mainline media gives the impression it is.
It still tells the story of dinosaurs unseated by punk (I know .. these giant creatures did not have chairs.. I know).
I keep seeing people with Rush t-shirts on round my way though. And listening to planet rock radio, there are often prog bands requested by listener, and not just the most obvious tracks.
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