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JJLehto
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 21:47 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
^ Say no to pre-2005 internet languages |
And I wasn't even the one using it? Say NO to people who make little sense!
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Anthony H.
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Location: Virginia
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Points: 6088
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 21:43 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
^ Say no to pre-2005 internet languages |
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 17:33 |
^ Say no to pre-2005 internet languages
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"WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!"
-The Great Gig in the Sky
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 16:00 |
1337 speak Caio?
Gah....soooo 2004
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CCVP
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Joined: September 15 2007
Location: Vitória, Brasil
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Points: 7971
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 13:27 |
Starhammer wrote:
CCVP wrote:
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no u |
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The Neck Romancer
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Location: Brazil
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Points: 10185
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 12:36 |
CCVP wrote:
|_0|_ u pp|_ c d1s 7hr3d 5r5|_y?
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no u
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CCVP
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Joined: September 15 2007
Location: Vitória, Brasil
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 12:17 |
|_0|_ u pp|_ c d1s 7hr3d 5r5|_y?
u r 4|_ |_ |\|00|35.
Edited by CCVP - December 25 2010 at 12:18
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 12:05 |
clarke2001 wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
IMO the most important revolutionary moments in the history of modern pop music are: 1) 1955, birth of rock'n'roll 2) 1965, Bob Dylan goes electric, classic rock can come 3) 1977, punk lives a very short life but it gives us alternative rock, which is still with us today.
This leaves out all forms of metal and electronic music, but IMO they've had an organic evolution, they didn't go against what was before. Their history has "landmark" moments rather than "revolutionary" ones.
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Interesting. I would say : 1955 rock 'n' roll; 1969 post Sgt. Pepper/In The Court improved multi-channel recordings; 1983-86 Yamaha DX7 and the appearance of the digital sound; 1992 Nirvana's Nevermind bring back the electric guitar and alternative rock to the fore.
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Yours is an interesting view too. But I just saw Synth Brittannia on BBC and apparently the 80s synth sound is a creation of the late 70s... Stylistically of course, I have no idea about music technology.
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CPicard
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Joined: October 03 2008
Location: Lą, sui monti.
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 08:11 |
Say no to post-Christmas posts, for I fear that they will be fueled by booze, liquor, cheap chocolate and various gastric problems.
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Roland113
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Joined: March 30 2008
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 22:08 |
moshkito wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
I think it's common knowledge by now that all older music (with the cutoff at exactly 1989) is irrelevant. Not only is it unoriginal, but also bad. All of the pre-89 music will soon fade into oblivion to be seceded by the vastly superior modern music. The noise created by these pre-89 caveman should not even be called music. Say NO to the dark shadow of music past and embrace the present! |
Even I will not be that mean to Walter.
Sorry, but I personally feel that the post is mis-guided, ethnocentric and disrespectful to a lot of music ... you might as well stretch your point to say that Beethoven is stupid, Mozart sux and Bach is a flippin idiot! ... and that today's music makes all of them look like white punks on dope ... actually, I would like to suggest the opposite, and I am not trying to tube down a band! |
You have trouble with the concept of sarcasm, don't you?
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-------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob-------
I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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presdoug
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Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 21:00 |
JJLehto wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I do not mean to "make" anything more serious than it is, not really my intention, but when someone starts off by saying that music pre-89 is dead and has no value-man,that gets me going in a serious way,you bet! I guess my own perspective on music appreciation is serious,but i don't mean to make it that way for anybody else that doesn't feel comfortable with that-what i am trying to say is that this topic should be as serious as an individual person feels it should, and some will be more intent and serious about it than others i do not mean to "dictate seriousness", is what i am trying to say
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But, the whole pre-89 music is dead thing was a blatant joke.....
Whatevs.
CLASSICAL MUSIC OR NOTHING
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I understand the concept of "kidding around is kidding around", anyway, no hard feelings on this, and am sorry if i came across a bit heavy sounding
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 20:52 |
presdoug wrote:
I do not mean to "make" anything more serious than it is, not really my intention, but when someone starts off by saying that music pre-89 is dead and has no value-man,that gets me going in a serious way,you bet! I guess my own perspective on music appreciation is serious,but i don't mean to make it that way for anybody else that doesn't feel comfortable with that-what i am trying to say is that this topic should be as serious as an individual person feels it should, and some will be more intent and serious about it than others i do not mean to "dictate seriousness", is what i am trying to say
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But, the whole pre-89 music is dead thing was a blatant joke..... Whatevs. CLASSICAL MUSIC OR NOTHING
Edited by JJLehto - December 24 2010 at 20:53
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presdoug
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 20:50 |
I do not mean to "make" anything more serious than it is, not really my intention, but when someone starts off by saying that music pre-89 is dead and has no value-man,that gets me going in a serious way,you bet! I guess my own perspective on music appreciation is serious,but i don't mean to make it that way for anybody else that doesn't feel comfortable with that-what i am trying to say is that this topic should be as serious as an individual person feels it should, and some will be more intent and serious about it than others i do not mean to "dictate seriousness", is what i am trying to say
Edited by presdoug - December 24 2010 at 20:55
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JJLehto
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Location: Tallahassee, FL
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 20:09 |
presdoug wrote:
No music, as long as it is listened to and appreciated, is dead, regardless of what any "fashion", or "in vogue" period would dictate heck, i listen to and appreciate music recordings from before 1900, let alone 1989, and they work wonders for me the worst thing that anybody can do is to dictate what has value and what does not All music is not crap, it is all good -to whomever likes it
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......You just had to go an make this all serious? Er, please tell me you didn't think this thread was serious.
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clarke2001
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Joined: June 14 2006
Location: Croatia
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Points: 4160
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 19:05 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
IMO the most important revolutionary moments in the history of modern pop music are: 1) 1955, birth of rock'n'roll 2) 1965, Bob Dylan goes electric, classic rock can come 3) 1977, punk lives a very short life but it gives us alternative rock, which is still with us today.
This leaves out all forms of metal and electronic music, but IMO they've had an organic evolution, they didn't go against what was before. Their history has "landmark" moments rather than "revolutionary" ones.
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Interesting. I would say : 1955 rock 'n' roll; 1969 post Sgt. Pepper/In The Court improved multi-channel recordings; 1983-86 Yamaha DX7 and the appearance of the digital sound; 1992 Nirvana's Nevermind bring back the electric guitar and alternative rock to the fore.
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moshkito
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Location: Grok City
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Points: 17713
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 12:08 |
CPicard wrote:
I'm pretty sure all the Latin people will use "Post Neo" (Spain, Portugal, Brasil, Mejico, etc.). It makes more sense in these linguas.
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The analytical study of the arts is more valuable and important in those areas (and languages) than it is in English ... in both America and England, too much is centered on the commercial side of things (how imperialistic of them, hey???) and to appreciate and study the arts and make sure they are recognized, is not important ... and the result is ... you get a board like this that tries to make it better, but "fans" tend to trash any literary or intelligent discussion.
My own father was a well known name in Portuguese Literature ... and since his death, to give you an idea, between my mom and many others almost twice as much as my dad had published in his own lifetime has been done since 1979 ... and mom is still going strong ... !!! that says something for the studies of the language and the arts ... which is not being done with a lot of this music. And when I try, and do, it gets criticized as not important or conjecture ... what the heck are all those studies about?
And this has been something that I really would love to see this board be able to handle better ... but I am not sure it can happen until the leadership sets their mind and attention to it ... or add people that can think in those literary terms ... which we do not have enough of. But if the literary and educational side of it is not there, it won't happen. While I can appreciate a Snow Dog and Walter Digs Tunes just fine, in the end, folks that reply the way they do, is not going to help the "analysis" ... but it will help proliferate the post counts! There is a small side to that ana;ysis, but then, not everyone thinks that academic studies are important. I just think that some are out of line and counter-productive to the process and improvement of the art and its place in time ... but I am not sure those people care, of think about that ... they are kids having fun, right? ... just like you and I?
The terminology is not as important as the work itself ... but simply a way to explain some of the trends in it ... and yes, it might become termed that in the future ... but "post neo" will eventually lose its tracking, since every new form of any art is almost always "neo-post" ... which means the term is not flexible or capable of describing the art correctly. Compare that to "romantic era" in the arts ... which is about 75 years long and is well represented in the major arts ... and all of a sudden a lot of the terms used in the progressive area are really bad, and not descriptive of the work at all ... just it's sound ... and the "art" needs to be bigger than just its sound.
Edited by moshkito - December 24 2010 at 12:15
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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darkshade
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 11:14 |
CPicard wrote:
Anyway, couldn't we consider that any composer born before 1889 is to be rejected?
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FTFY
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CPicard
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Location: Lą, sui monti.
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 09:50 |
Anyway, couldn't we consider that any composer born before 1989 is to be rejected?
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someone_else
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Posted: December 24 2010 at 06:14 |
^You're right, I guess...
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CPicard
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Posted: December 23 2010 at 17:58 |
someone_else wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Don't you mean "Post Neo"? |
No, that will only start in 2025
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This timing seems right to me, but the name Post Neo will only be used in France and Québec, and maybe in some other French-speaking territories which may become acquainted with prog in the meantime.
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I'm pretty sure all the Latin people will use "Post Neo" (Spain, Portugal, Brasil, Mejico, etc.). It makes more sense in these linguas.
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