The Voice Of Gabriel or Collins in Genesis Songs |
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Icarium
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 10:59 | |
well they are definitly not Freddy Mercury
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thehallway
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 10:34 | |
Both are rather nasal and annoying for long periods, Gabriel less so.
In fact I would go as far as to say that they are my least favourite vocalists from "all the greats" in prog.....
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 09:01 | |
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chopper
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 08:43 | |
Gabriel has a menace in his voice that Collins cannot match. Compare and contrast the "me, I'm just a lawnmower" bit in the original and live versions. Also, Collins adds some annoying bits such as "Stickleback, back back" in Carpet Crawlers (which I recently saw a Genesis tribute band do as well). Collins is a great singer but he lacks Gabriel's character.
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Negoba
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 08:31 | |
Singing can be a million things, how well do you produce pure tones, how well do you do complex melodies, can you do a deep dragonvoice, but what matters most is how do you communicate with your audience.
Neither Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel can produce pure tones like Art Garfunkel. Collins is probably a little better, and from live tapes was much less likely to actually sing out of tune. But neither can do vocal acrobatics very well.
But Gabriel was one of the best vocalists ever in the range of dramatic expression and range of emotional communication.
I've been watching video of Collins doing Supper's Ready and Musical Box and Carpet Crawlers and it's just weak. There's just not enough pathos in his voice or his soul to pull that stuff off.
One other important point, however, is that going back and watching the Gabriel-era video, you realize how much having Collins' second voice really was an integral part of the classic sound.
And finally, gotta have the flute. and the makeup. and costumes.
Collins plays a mean trapset though. He was a beast on the skins.
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CCVP
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 08:59 | |
Wow, somebody actually agreed! That's unheard of. |
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 06:18 | |
Absolutely agree. I'd like to add that Peter Gabriel sings the lines with more compassion and meaning, e.g. the line "Through the door a harvest feast is lit by candlelight" the "through" is a half tone lower than "the door" and "lit" is the highest note in the line, which makes perfectly sense, whereas Phil Collins sings the whole song, as if it does not mean anything at all to him (and probably it does not). |
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crimhead
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 00:46 | |
What this wise man said. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 22:46 | |
Actually, I agree with CCVP that neither are great singers. They just do that drama-singing thing well, which is generally liked in prog circles. But I prefer Gabriel on the Gabriel-Genesis albums because he conveyed drama better, while Collins, as Dean said, can get a bit goofy.
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CCVP
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 20:54 | |
meh, haters hate the haters that hate Genesis' singers. Everything went according to plan. Edited by CCVP - December 11 2010 at 20:55 |
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 20:50 | |
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CCVP
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 20:48 | |
I don't like most of Genesis' output, but I think Collis was a better singer. That said, I don't think they were actually good singers. They fit very well in the band's sound and both sound very alike. I really don't understand why people say Gabriel was better. His voice was weak, anemic and slightly out of tune in most songs prior to Lamb, wile Collins' voice had a limited range and wasn't as resonant.
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 20:48 | |
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Chris S
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 20:37 | |
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 18:47 | |
Both are awesome. Regardless of what they sing.
I'll probably always side with PG though. PC is the man too, though.
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akaBona
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 17:32 | |
Hope Santa will not bring you the latest Phil Collins effort Going Back. Musically decent record ruined by maneric nasal voice. Compared to Gabriel ... huhhuh ;) |
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Gerinski
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 14:08 | |
Very true.
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Tychovski
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 14:03 | |
They are both excellent, distinctive vocalists. To my ears Phil's voice has a thinner, crisper quality to it; where Peter's has a warmer, more rounded tone - which I think is why they sounded so great together. I don't particularily care for Phil singing Peter era material, but that's only because I'd rather hear them as originally conceived. Both perfect for their times.
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:14 | |
No preference. They're both fantastic. I could listen to either singing the Gabriel era songs all day. Fantastic but different.
Gabriel once said to Phil "you sing the songs better than I do, but not like I do" True, but at the same time they can sound very similar.. Because Phil sung backing vocalsf or so long, they are both a big part of the Genesis sound. |
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b4usleep
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 12:44 | |
PC is not listenable for me
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