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An alternate question might be....if your country were attacked by another, would you enlist to defend it?
I would.  Not that they'd take my scrawny carcass. 
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I'd much rather die for no reason than to die for my country (meant government here). I wouldn't serve in the military even if I was guaranteed I wouldn't die. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Lol no.
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It has always struck me as being a dumb question - what fCensoredking use am I to my country if I'm fCensoredking dead? Surely the best way to lose a war is to die for your country - wars are never won by the side that died the most - sure, some battles are, but  they are called pyrrhic victories. If you want to be patriotic - stay alive.
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^^^Pretty much seconded. I wasn't born in the US where I live now, but I wouldn't die for Russia either. 

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I said "no" on Nov 17, 2010 and whadya know? My answer still isLOL

I gotta admit, one thing I do like about PA (or the net in general) I can say things like this without people freaking out an presuming I'm the anti-christ:

I never really felt a passion about my country. Even when I was younger, especially the months after 9/11 and "proud to be an American" tattooed across the nation. IDK, just never felt anything. It was like high school to me. I'm thereLOL
Or the frat I (regretfully) joined in college. I was gunna make some post about how I really don't like nationalism and patriotism but it's more than that.

I just can't feel loyalty for no reason. It does not matter the institution! I felt some for my university but I also chose to go there, unlike my other schools (or country) where it's just always been. Or that dumbass frat (that lied to me it turned out) I guess I'm a cold personCry I need an organization to earn my loyalty and love! I have no natural affection for it otherwise.

So I would not die for my country. Only time I could see it happening is if there was some honest, fight for my life, invasion and even then...am I fighting for my country??? Or is it for myself? My family and friends survival? Protection for our land and stuff?
Maybe something to keep in mind when we think of others fighting "for" their country or "against" us.....




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No. Hell no. 
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I laid my life on the line for my country for 12 years,so the answer is yes.I know I sound like a brainwashed drone,but when your country needs you to fight,you fight.  The apathy and selfishness of the current generation makes me sick,millions of people selflessly laid their lives on the line and paid the ultimate price for the freedom that you enjoy.
 

True of course, but the question was clarified by Textbook:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

By "for your country" I mean because the government asks so, reasons irrelevant.

I served on active duty in the Marine Corps for 12 years, so as to the question of whether I would die for my country, I answered that when (as they say in the Marines) 'I signed the M*F*'g contract'.  I also earned the right to have an opinion on this subject.

As to the question of whether I would do so today "because the government asks", I will say 'No'.  The 'government' is a collection of people who are supposed to be elected, appointed or hired to serve the people, and in that context I wouldn't die because my mailman or a librarian or the lady at the DMV asked me.  And most politicians today long since abdicated the privilege of asking me to do anything by virtue of their own self-serving 'service' to We, the People.
"Peace is the only battle worth waging."

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For my country, no. I woulden't be much help anyway. My cat, yes.
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Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Of course not. Both of my countries suck.
The whole planet sucks.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I think I'm probably too much of a coward.
Bristol isn't worth dying for anyway. Tongue
Bristol is a rough town. There are too many people dying there never mind going out of the country to die.
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Most wars are about power disputes among the aristocracy, whatever names they call themselves. It is pretty rare that the issues in my opinion are compelling enough for the common man to die over them.

But I don't make the rules.  
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Maybe they were confused by all the times God has killed or ordered others to kill.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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I'm alway surprised at the religious aspects of wars.

Man: I was ordered to kill a lot of people today, so I went and did it.
God: Though shalt not kill!
Man: You don't understand, it's a war and they are the enemy.
God: Oh, sorry, that's alright then.
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Thousands of civilians die for somebody else's country all the time.
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I'd break a leg or something similar to dodge the draft; unless the war is happening in my country.

Then I'd die and kill for it. Take note that in such case, "country" would mean "my family, my home, friends and the right to everything that gives my life a meaning".


I don't get people who want and are proud to be (badly paid, not that the payjob means anything though) mercenaries of their government, just to earn respect and feel the thrill of being in a combat. It's not like risking yourself for oil in another country is going to change your life significantly.




Originally posted by GaryB GaryB wrote:

Equality 7-whatever...so, you're ashamed of anyone who allows themselves to be drafted?
In the first place, you're a punk-ass little twenty-three year old who hasn't earned the right to be ashamed of anyone.
Whiny little liberals like you with BBs for balls disgust me. Your kind are no better than the spineless smudges that spit on troops returning from Nam.
All of you liberals belong in a commune singing folk songs around the campfire.
That is as long as someone else is willing to fight for your right to do so.
If you want to be ashamed of someone, be ashamed of yourself.


You don't deserve more respect than those troops who kill civilians for fun.


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Absolutely not, not that my country (Ireland) is going to war any time soonLOL Would probably die for my family though but only if I rally had toDead
You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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Not that I meant to say there only two meanings, holy cow:
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a drawing, sketch, or design.
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a first or preliminary form of any writing, subject to revision, copying, etc.
3.
act of drawing; delineation.
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a current of air in any enclosed space, esp. in a room, chimney, or stove.
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a current of air moving in an upward or downward direction.
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a device for regulating the current of air in a stove, fireplace, etc.
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an act of drawing or pulling loads.
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something that is drawn or pulled; a haul.
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an animal or team of animals used to pull a load.
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the force required to pull a load.
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the taking of supplies, forces, money, etc., from a given source.
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a selection or drawing of persons, by lot or otherwise, from the general body of the people for military service; levy; conscription.
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the persons so selected.
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Sports . a selecting or drawing of new players from a choice group of amateur players by professional teams, esp. a system of selecting new players so that each team in a professional league receives some of the most promising players.
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British . a selection of persons already in military service to be sent from one post or organization to another; detachment.
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a written order drawn by one person upon another; a writing directing the payment of money on account of the drawer; bill of exchange.
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a drain or demand made on anything.
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an act of drinking or inhaling.
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something that is taken in by drinking or inhaling; a drink; dose.
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a quantity of fish caught.
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Nautical . the depth to which a vessel is immersed when bearing a given load.
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Also called leave. Metallurgy . the slight taper given to a pattern so that it may be drawn from the sand without injury to the mold.
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Metalworking .
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the change in sectional area of a piece of work caused by a rolling or drawing operation.
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a taper on a die or punch permitting it to be withdrawn readily from the work.
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Masonry . a line or border chiseled at the edge of a stone, to serve as a guide in leveling the surfaces.
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the degree of attenuation produced in fibers during yarn processing, expressed either by the ratio of the weight of raw to the weight of processed fiber, or by the ratio between the varying surface speeds of the rollers on the carding machine.
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the act of attenuating the fibers.
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an allowance granted to a buyer for waste of goods sold by weight.
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to draw the outlines or plan of; sketch.
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to draw up in written form; compose.
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to draw or pull.
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to take or select by draft, esp. for military service.
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to do drafting; work as a draftsman.
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used or suited for drawing loads: a draft horse.
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drawn or available to be drawn from a cask rather than served from a sealed bottle: draft ale.
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being a tentative or preliminary outline, version, design, or sketch.
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on draft, available to be drawn from a cask rather than from a sealed bottle: imported beer on draft.

And I would have to guess the draft you are feeling is beer. LOL

"My-ay-ay sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
Woh-oh-woh-oh-woh.

Wars are really ugly, they're dirty and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot her in the foxhole . . . foxhole." Zappa



Edited by Slartibartfast - January 03 2011 at 21:43
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Military was something I considered when I was really young.  Actually had my own pair of combat boots from Old Sarge's and a set of fatigues.  And I considered becoming a pilot.  Wound up drafting instead, which is kind of funny because of the two meanings.  LOL


LOL

Well, I feel a draft...  LOL
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Military was something I considered when I was really young.  Actually had my own pair of combat boots from Old Sarge's and a set of fatigues.  And I considered becoming a pilot.  Wound up drafting instead, which is kind of funny because of the two meanings.  LOL

Edited by Slartibartfast - January 03 2011 at 19:20
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