Symphonic or Progressive: What came first?

fuxi wrote: Gerinski wrote: fuxi wrote: All in all, it seems the terms "progressive music" and "progressive rock" were in more general use in most (perhaps even all) western countries a few years before the term (and probably the actual genre) of "symphonic rock" appeared.  Well I can assure you that in Spain it was the opposite. But right, in fact Spain was not yet a western country back then   It certainly wasn't very "progressive", if you'll allow me to say so!

Sure enough ! I guess we did not know what progressive rock was because dictator Franco had censured the term "progressive" for all purposes  

Yep, thanks Ivan. For me, The Moody Blues are progressive without being Prog.

seventhsojourn wrote: Symphonic or Progressive: What came first?   The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack (December, 1967) - first Prog album.   Days of Future Passed (November, 1967) - first Symphonic album.

As we have discussed long before:

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 01 2010 at 15:12

seventhsojourn wrote: richardh wrote: Dean wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   I believe the first Prog album was by The Nice, I believe you...   Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: so they came simultaneously INHO.   Iván ... I'm not so sure I'd call The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack a Symphonic Prog album though. I expect Ivan meant their second release Ars Longa Vita Brevis (1968) which featured orchestration. However  The Moody Blues' Days Of Future Passed' came earlier (1967).   Symphonic or Progressive: What came first?   The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack (December, 1967) - first Prog album.   Days of Future Passed (November, 1967) - first Symphonic album.

Nice try, but DoFP is not a Symphonic album - at best it is Baroque Pop.

richardh wrote: Dean wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   I believe the first Prog album was by The Nice, I believe you...   Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: so they came simultaneously INHO.   Iván ... I'm not so sure I'd call The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack a Symphonic Prog album though. I expect Ivan meant their second release Ars Longa Vita Brevis (1968) which featured orchestration. However  The Moody Blues' Days Of Future Passed' came earlier (1967).

Dean wrote: fuxi wrote: Dean wrote: Genesis and Yes were late-comers to the party and didn't get "symphonic" until 72. It seems your comments are highly subjective. Certainly "The Musical Box" and "The Fountain of Salmacis" are as "symphonic" as any rock I can think of! Length has got nothing to do with it; it's the style that counts. By the same token, The Soft Machine's "Moon in June" is unadulterated symphonic rock. Of course, all music analysis is subjective . Nursery Cryme is symphonic in parts, In The Court Of The Crimson King is symphonic in parts, even A Saucerful Of Secrets is symphonic in parts ... none of those albums are unadulterated symphonic in whole. Foxtrot (their 4th album) and Fragile (their 4th album) are wholly symphonic (in my subjective opinion).

But... mon cher Dean... FRAGILE is from 1971!

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   I believe the first Prog album was by The Nice,

Slartibartfast wrote: I can't quite pinpoint the moment in time where the music was being referred to as progressive rock,  It was just really good music that didn't get much airplay or respect.

Mostly after hours radio .....on the east coast and the station WXPN out of Philadelphia was my only source. Late night programming which played the music of Rare Bird, Jade Warrior, Curved Air, Van Der Graaf Generator, Popol Vuh, Univers Zero etc, ...In today's world, if you wanted to lose your job you could attempt the above just to experiment the test of time. Just to see how long anyone would last as an underdog working for a corporation that stamps out art. Various DJ'S in the Phila area during the early 80's quit their jobs due to their personal dilemma to fight for the cause. One DJ I will quote saying....How can I continue working for a radio station that won't allow me to play the Strawbs?

JD wrote: Anguiad wrote: Also, in the Genesis green boxset, one of the reviewers refers their music as "college rock". Why, I dunno.  This term was used because it was the independent student run college radio stations that would play this music, usually late at night while the students were "studying"

It was also because many of the bands were formed from whilst the band members were at college. And because the tours were mainly on the "college-circuit" playing in student union bars - in the UK there was even a TV series of concerts called "Rock Goes To College" that highlighted gigs from that circuit.

moshkito wrote: Hi,   I would say "symphonic", specially when one notices the connection to a lot of classically trained musicians, that gave up that life to do something else.