Katatonia - which Prog Archives sub-genre?

Well, just to throw some fuel on the fire, Green Day's American Idiot was about as Tommy esque conceptual rock opera as its possible to get for a modern mainstream rock band. I can see why folks might think its prog 

angelmk wrote: Although i like Katatonia a lot , i cannot say it is progressive, maybe little hits of prog here and there but not sufficient enough to be added here. I get some feeling that everyone tries to push his favourite band in PA. i saw the progfreak charts UMUR displayed in the few posts above , and i saw Kreator suggested for PA, non sense, also Green Day for PA - hilarious,  also Lacuna Coil, Machine Head and countless other rejected,  for god sake people, lets add any band related to rock and metal here, so we gonna have rock/metal archives then, no need to waist our time seeking  for progressiveness, we will avoid just acts like Britney Spears and the likes,  unless someone says they are prog

Not that I get to vote, but I have to say....big Katatonia fan, but not prog enough. Tiamat and Paradise Lost next? Type O? I love my goth metal but this is Prog Archives.

Although i like Katatonia a lot , i cannot say it is progressive, maybe little hits of prog here and there but not sufficient enough to be added here. I get some feeling that everyone tries to push his favourite band in PA. i saw the progfreak charts UMUR displayed in the few posts above , and i saw Kreator suggested for PA, non sense, also Green Day for PA - hilarious,  also Lacuna Coil, Machine Head and countless other rejected,  for god sake people, lets add any band related to rock and metal here, so we gonna have rock/metal archives then, no need to waist our time seeking  for progressiveness, we will avoid just acts like Britney Spears and the likes,  unless someone says they are prog 

clarke2001 wrote:  Very simple: multiple votes are allowed in this poll, so one come click 1000 times and alter the results.

Raff wrote: Harry Hood wrote: Wait, are you telling me Katatonia aren't already on Progarchives? What sort of madness is this? They deserve their place here far more than half the metal stuff that goes through. With their excellent musicianship, incredible use of dynamics and complex harmonic structure, there is no reason why they shouldn't be on here already. They even have a DVD through Metal Mind! They've played prog festivals in Poland with the likes of Arena, Pendragon, and RPWL. Progarchives just shot itself in the foot. Honor and shame. What about taking a chill pill?

Techical w**kery does not equal prog (although it's often included no need to say any names) and where they've played has absolutely no difference. But I agree there is a lot of un-prog metal that should be removed from PA


Edited by Tony R - March 04 2010 at 09:57

Harry Hood wrote: Wait, are you telling me Katatonia aren't already on Progarchives? What sort of madness is this? They deserve their place here far more than half the metal stuff that goes through. With their excellent musicianship, incredible use of dynamics and complex harmonic structure, there is no reason why they shouldn't be on here already. They even have a DVD through Metal Mind! They've played prog festivals in Poland with the likes of Arena, Pendragon, and RPWL. Progarchives just shot itself in the foot. Honor and shame.

What about taking a chill pill?

Well... the many threads about Katatonia at least show that lots of people are interested in getting them on PA. Lots of peope also object to their inclusion though. I wonder if some of those who object have listened to every album in their discography or base their opinion solely on one or two albums they´ve heard ( not you H, I know)?

The problem with Katatonia ( like it was with My Dying Bride) is that they were once added to PA ( as I understand by a member who didn´t have the right to do so). There was some fuzz about that and they were then deleted. In the early days of the site everyone could add artists which is why ( at least this is my understanding) we have acts like Nightwish here too.

I´m not sure but I think Katatonia have been evaluated since then and have been rejected ( at least that´s what the votes indicate: http://progfreak.com/home/progarchives?path=pm/rejected&block=6). So to get Katatonia added to PA it requires the yes votes of all current members of the Progressive Metal Team, a very good reason and admin approval. I hope it happens someday, as I think Katatonia would be a great asset to this site and I´m happy to see that I´m not the only one with that opinion. However a strong case must be build for this to even have a small chance of happening. I´ll gladly help out but I won´t be the one building the case ( I actually tried this once but gave it up). Too much work and way too little time on my hands to do it.

So if anyone feels they have sufficient evidence that Katatonia are a progressive/ experimental metal act. Please build a case and hand it over to the Progressive Metal Team and we will take a look ( that´s step 1). There are no guarantees that things will change though, so be prepared for rejection. Step 2 is admin approval. We´ll talk about that if step 1 is succesful.

 

Camel666 wrote: what the hell... yesterday when I logged in the option "progressive metal" had like 3-4 preferences, while "none of the above" was around 15. Now, not even ten hours later, "progressive metal" has skyrocketed to 22 and "none of the above" remained quite unchanged. What happened?!?

Like people came to their senses?

Dim wrote: Okay, not trying to be too argumentative, but how would they fit in experimental post metal? Their use of pop song structures, clean vocals, and rather conventional use of guitar tone/use does not warrant them Experimental, and certainl not post metal. When you compare them to groups like Isis, Tool, or Kayo Dot, their are really very few simularities.

I think the Katatonia argument will keep going for a while longer. There's always new people coming to PA sharing the amazement that this band is not here.

I agree that they are very different from the bands you mention but they are close to many other bands in that sub. The problem with Katatonia is that they'll never entirely fit in any particular sub. They just make the music that they want to make and are not concerned with conforming to any particular style.
They sure are not just 'metal'. Way too dynamic and experimental for that.
And I do find the lead guitars very unconventional by the way. I can't think of any other guitar player that sounds like Blakkheim.