Phil Collins and here's why. . . . .

omri wrote: I agree with the majority here and especially with Raff and Octopus-4 (what happened to the former 3 btw ?). I don't see any reason to include him here and I also had Face value on vinyl (and never thought to get the CD cause it's not that good IMO) and even "In the air tonight" is not very proggy to my ears. I think the example of McCartney is a very good one and shows it is not personaly against PC. However, I don't realy understand the strong emotions here. I surely will not comit suicide if he will be added

I had a copy of Face Value on cassette.  I bought the CD and within two weeks I was flooded out of my house (31" of water).   I'm blaming Phil for no non-coincidental reason.   Face Value has some good moments and a rather lame version of Behind The Lines.  I think In The Air is fairly decent for a commercially successful song.


Edited by Slartibartfast - April 22 2010 at 20:33

octopus-4 wrote: Phil Collins is "POPPING" up again....  I can't find any single song in his solo production that can be defined prog, unless we consider "In the air tonight". Can Michael Jackson be considered "Metal" for the solo played by Eddie Van Halen on Beat it? If Phil Collins can stay on PA, why not Sting or Cindy Lauper ? Joking apart, The Beatles are proto-prog or prog related, Sir McCartney is not. The same I think applies to Phil Collins.

I think the main activity here would be brought to the hundreds of prog bands that are not yet in PA and not wasting time with  pop artists or related.

"Number of cannonballs used in the Battle of the Alamo currently owned by singer Phil Collins: 18"
Harper's Index

seventhsojourn wrote: Hi Brosky,   Welcome to the site... and you are genuinely welcome. The trouble with us newbies is that we tend to ask questions that have been debated here before, sometimes on many occasions. Some of the members like to have their little jokes and I've been on the receiving end myself. No need to take it personally.   I don't want to be accused of being the Prog-Mafia (as Micky calls say), but is it any wonder Brosky hasn't been back here since 21st February? It's not big making fun of new members. How about putting an arm round newbies, instead of chasing them off.   On topic... I'm not really familiar with Phil's solo albums, but if I can widen the debate a little... When did Justin Hayward and John Lodge solo albums get added? I don't want to bring up that ''if so-and-so is here etc'' argument, but they don't even have artist pages. As solo artists, should they not have seperate bios? I've actually been thinking of starting an ''Add Justin Hayward'' thread but I didn't because even I don't think he should be here (even although Nostradamus is more prog than anything on Blue Jays). Can I add Justin's entire solo output? Can I add Mike Pinder and Ray Thomas then? I certainly don't want to upset the person who added these albums, I own copies myself and now they're here I'll review them. Just trying to make the point that we shouldn't be laughing at other people's opinions.

Very good post, Chris - I agree 100% on your thoughts about scaring newbies off. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more frequently, especially at certain times of the day, when some of the more outspoken (understatement of the century) members are online.

As regards the examples you brought up, I am not familiar with what happened, but believe there is an explanation as to the presence of solo albums without separate entries. Phil Collins, unfortunately, is a rather unique case - an extremely divisive artist, and one whose addition would cause much more trouble than it's worth. Personally, I don't see the prog in his solo output, but would not raise a stink - not even for a second - if he was added - I believe I'm smarter than that. However, other people would not be so reasonable - believe me when I tell you I know what I am talking about, since I've got the scars to show for it.

Hi Brosky,

A couple more suggestions for the new genre:

Edited by akamaisondufromage - March 07 2010 at 05:28

After reading the post I went to see if Phil has been added or not and I'm happy to see him missing. I agree with most of the friends here about "Face Value" being a great album. About his story with Genesis, we are used to review albums, not biographies, that's why I don't see a reason to include him. In addition he would fall in the alphabetical order between Collegium Musicum and Colosseum. Let him stay in the pop charts, please.

Deathrabbit wrote: What's this huge obsession with adding PR artists??? There are plenty of full-fledged prog bands out there that are still not included on this site. I saw PR oughta be closed for new additions until we run out of real prog bands to add.

What do you mean? I'll add Phil Collins in Eclectic Prog right now!

Oh, and...only two pages for a Phil Collins thread? Shame on you, Prog Archives

Also, he played in my favourite band.