Vinyl

The idea of "musical" is just stupidly subjective anyway.
The reason why a lot of "digital" (or rather, more accurately, In The Box) mixes sound bad is because of poor gain staging, which results in that squashed, smushed together sound.
People that have a good handle on gain staging can make ITB mixes sound just as big and open as analog mixing.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: himtroy wrote: Yeah and we get to hear dynamics and a fuller low end too.  I think you're speaking of people listening to vinyl which is in bad shape. When you get down to technical specifications you'll see that vinyl has a much lower dynamic range than CD ...

^ Actually, all vinyl sounds crackly unless you clean it with special devises that cost an arm and a leg. Even new vinyl, which I buy from time to time, sounds like the musicians recorded in the middle of an open snow storm.

^ and that's just what you hear when playing CDs or MP3s. But what vinyl freaks also get to hear is crackles, pops, background noise and a variety of distortions.

Rottenhat wrote: My vinyls was in the cellar when a terrible accident happened. A freak of nature  flooded (the cellar). And every god forsaken vinyl I stored in the crllar smelled of old mold thereafter.. I took this a sign from God to get rid of those horrible pieces of plastic. And as time went by i somehow managed to fool the old drunken b*****ds at my local pub to take care of the problem. Now all my vinyls are in the caring hands of old long-haired stoners. The end.

My whole house got flooded and a big chunk of my vinyls went underwater.  Apparently they were salvageable.  One of my bosses expressed an interest in them and I let him have them and salvage them.  The covers, which I find more valuable than the discs, were of course ruined.  He hasn't played back any yet, but most of them were pristine.  I played most of them once to make a cassette copy to preserve them from the inevitable needle degradation and mind you I had a top of the line Dual turntable.  Most had been replaced by CDs and I am rather happy with that format.  I've also become a big fan of the "MP3" or as I prefer to refer to it the digital music files.  Having grown up with LPs and 45s I have no particular love for vinyl other than the cover art.  Whatever most vinylphiles hear in the playback I don't.  More power to you though and I wish I could have got my act together to sell the damaged ones before disaster struck.  In any event, I do have a top shelf of keepers and there are a few that I might offer up for sale at some point.


Edited by Slartibartfast - March 11 2010 at 13:19

Certif1ed wrote: DJPuffyLemon wrote: Can anyone explain how vinyl pricing works? I don't mean like mint/near-mint/vg/etc, that's all listed online like here: http://yee.ch/Vinyl/vin_grading.htm. I mean like, I just saw what was rated as a VG+ edition of Yes' Relayer for only $5, which I think is a good deal considering it looks like the original release. How could someone part with an album like that for $5?   There's no easy answer to that one - and one man's "Very Good" is another's "Scratched".   That said, I've bought "VG+" albums which have turned out to be "NM".   Albums like Relayer exist in vast quantities - many collectors end up with multiple copies, in their pursuit for the nearest-to-perfect one.   Also, the only way you can be sure it's the "original pressing" is to examine the little stamp marks in the vinyl - and understand the codes. Then you need to examine the sleeve - quite often people seem to swap a battered original sleeve for a tidier looking later one.   Depends on how fastidious you are as a collector, and what you want from the piece you're buying.   You should be able to get *a* copy of Relayer for very little money, given how many there are.   The most a Near Mint UK First press tends to go for is around £40-50, and the Japanese presses don't go any higher.   If you want a first UK press, look out for the textured sleeve, A1/B1 matrix endings on the codes, and the names "Porky" and "Pecko" in the dead wax in the center of the album.   Also, to verify that it's hardly been played (and hasn't been professionally cleaned so it only looks like it!), check the area around the spindle hole for little "spider" marks, caused by misaligning the album when putting it on the deck.   The more there are, the more the album's been played - this area marks really easily, so it's doubtful that there won't be any. If there aren't, and there is also surplus vinyl inside the hole, then congratulations! You really have found a true "Near Mint" copy, which will play really well.

Awesome thanks for the info. I'm not sure if this actually means it is the original release or not, but if it says Atlantic 1974 on the lp I'm guessing that mean when it was issued? But either way I'm not even a collector so not that important.

DJPuffyLemon wrote: Can anyone explain how vinyl pricing works? I don't mean like mint/near-mint/vg/etc, that's all listed online like here: http://yee.ch/Vinyl/vin_grading.htm. I mean like, I just saw what was rated as a VG+ edition of Yes' Relayer for only $5, which I think is a good deal considering it looks like the original release. How could someone part with an album like that for $5?

Can anyone explain how vinyl pricing works? I don't mean like mint/near-mint/vg/etc, that's all listed online like here: http://yee.ch/Vinyl/vin_grading.htm. I mean like, I just saw what was rated as a VG+ edition of Yes' Relayer for only $5, which I think is a good deal considering it looks like the original release. How could someone part with an album like that for $5?

Wow, this thread has opened a can of worms. Perhaps Bob Ludwig can shed some light.

http://www.musictap.net/Interviews/LudwigBobInterview.html

Just for the record I won't be selling my vinyl.

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Edited by acdc7369 - January 31 2010 at 16:54