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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!


What I find ironic is that under the pressure of the record company to release a somewhat 'commercial' album, they made one of their best albums, definitely better than all those made with Rudess Wink (not being sarcastical or joking)


One of their best compared to nowadays CD's perhaps. And I can't disagree more with "the longest tracks being the worst" : one of the highlights during their Systematic Chaos tour was the revival of Lines in the Sand, which has lots of vibe and emotion despite having guest vocals. New Millenium and Trial of Tears have great instrumental passages, sorely missed on their latest albums.
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^ agree completely on both first points.

Not much in the 'best rock band in history' part, not even close IMOWink  Still, like I said somewhere else, Dream Theater is a band with some really gifted musicians which you really don't know if they're planning to work as a team making wonders like Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity, or work seperately and create a wack fest.
 
I am really unrespectable of history... so I can say that DT is my favorite band and no other band can make me feel that great... I could say Elvis Presley is the best in Rock and Roll cause all his contribution in the 50's... The Beatles following close in the 60's and Van Halen for the revolution of the late 70's and 80's... I know some should say I'm crazy... but is difficult to make me change my mind about it... DT rules man...!!!
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^ agree completely on both first points.

Not much in the 'best rock band in history' part, not even close IMOWink  Still, like I said somewhere else, Dream Theater is a band with some really gifted musicians which you really don't know if they're planning to work as a team making wonders like Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity, or work seperately and create a wack fest.
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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Their debut is very good, just the production quality is laughable. Falling Into Infinity is their worst IMO.

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TAKE THAT YOU FOOL! Wink
 
Here you said it... right...??? or what do you mean then...??? not that have the same sound but that the ideas from the Falling into Infinity where long developed in those two albums... right...??? jejeje... if it's not what you meant... jejeje.. sorry...!!! Embarrassed


No, that's not what I meantWink

I meant that Falling Into Infinity is better than Scenes and Octavarium. And no, I do not think that in Scenes and in Octavarium the ideas from Falling Into Infinity are developed at all.
 
got ya...!!! Ok... at least we agree that Falling into Inifinity is way better than their last four albums... right...??? nothing to do with heaviness but with their tired ideas with the solution of monsterfull and fast solos.. right...???


mmm....no....LOL  We don't agree on anything, haha..well almost...

For me it's :

Pre-Scenes(90's, excluding Scenes) > Post-Scenes (Scenes onwards)

For me, with the entry of Jordan Rudess, Dream Theater started to focus on just Petrucci and Portnoy while the rest just backed up some mediocre stuff compared to what they're capable. Also the fact that in recent albums they've been needing ideas from other bands to make a song isn't something I enjoy.

To sum up the 90's albums:

Images & Words has the most creative compositions and solos, however has obvious flaws like Portnoy's excessive double-bass drumming and LaBrie's total high-pitch vocals.

Awake has the flaws from I&W mastered, but the compositions aren't as strong.

A Change of Seasons has the Dream Theater song.

Falling Into Infinity is Dream Theater playing Prog Rock with some varied styles(not using the ideas from other bands to then develop their songs like they would do later) It also features James' strongest vocals IMO, and from the rest of the band it's all simply great.
 
Funny... I see your points now... as I see it...
 
-Their 90's albums are all great, don't mind bout doble bass ussing -in fact, I love it- and Labries high notes are quite ok, but now adays do not like it as ten years ago, guess I'm getting old, or at least my ears does...
 
-Their 00's era is like you said, Portnoy and Petrucci's ideas... yes, we noticed the ausence of Myung in the writing... but I say the problem is Rudess... he's kind of out of his element here... He just uses strange keyboards and stuff just to feel he's bringing something besides his strange patches that don't fit with the band sound. I see Awake as perfection of sound of keyboards in rock... and Falling as a fresh alternative... but He can't do that without fill any spot with crazy solos...
 
-Still, I do believe their are the best rock band in history, and everything they do is interesting... but they put their standards too high with Awake and I&W, and it's so difficult to reach it, that many people has felt let down... but still their worst album is quite interesting in fact...


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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!


What I find ironic is that under the pressure of the record company to release a somewhat 'commercial' album, they made one of their best albums, definitely better than all those made with Rudess Wink (not being sarcastical or joking)


I got the impression you don't like the heavier side of DT!Wink
I won't say it is 100%, but I have noticed that if a song's lyrics are written by Mike Portnoy, I tend to like those songs less then those songs whose lyrics are written by Petrucci or LaBrie.  I think the songs with lyrics written by Portnoy tend to be the heavier tracks with harsher vocals and I don't think that LaBrie sings as well on those songs as he does on the songs where he or Petrucci wrote the lyrics.
 
I feel exactly the same... really... with the exception of The Best of Times, every song from Portnoy is heavy and mean... that's why their first albums where better... more Moore and Petrucci... but now is only Portnoy and Petrucci... and that's too metal oriented for me... is not that metal is bad... just that Mike don't write that well... and his melodies are kind of... nu metal wannabe... not that great...  
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 17:13
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Their debut is very good, just the production quality is laughable. Falling Into Infinity is their worst IMO.

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TAKE THAT YOU FOOL! Wink
 
Here you said it... right...??? or what do you mean then...??? not that have the same sound but that the ideas from the Falling into Infinity where long developed in those two albums... right...??? jejeje... if it's not what you meant... jejeje.. sorry...!!! Embarrassed


No, that's not what I meantWink

I meant that Falling Into Infinity is better than Scenes and Octavarium. And no, I do not think that in Scenes and in Octavarium the ideas from Falling Into Infinity are developed at all.
 
got ya...!!! Ok... at least we agree that Falling into Inifinity is way better than their last four albums... right...??? nothing to do with heaviness but with their tired ideas with the solution of monsterfull and fast solos.. right...???


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Yes, we do agree! haha, I definitely do not like the excessive aimless guitar solos and restless drumming, neither do I like James (and much less Portnoy's!) nowadays vocals, seem pretty un-recognisable.


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Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!


What I find ironic is that under the pressure of the record company to release a somewhat 'commercial' album, they made one of their best albums, definitely better than all those made with Rudess Wink (not being sarcastical or joking)


I got the impression you don't like the heavier side of DT!Wink
I won't say it is 100%, but I have noticed that if a song's lyrics are written by Mike Portnoy, I tend to like those songs less then those songs whose lyrics are written by Petrucci or LaBrie.  I think the songs with lyrics written by Portnoy tend to be the heavier tracks with harsher vocals and I don't think that LaBrie sings as well on those songs as he does on the songs where he or Petrucci wrote the lyrics.
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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Their debut is very good, just the production quality is laughable. Falling Into Infinity is their worst IMO.

-Jeff


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TAKE THAT YOU FOOL! Wink
 
Here you said it... right...??? or what do you mean then...??? not that have the same sound but that the ideas from the Falling into Infinity where long developed in those two albums... right...??? jejeje... if it's not what you meant... jejeje.. sorry...!!! Embarrassed


No, that's not what I meantWink

I meant that Falling Into Infinity is better than Scenes and Octavarium. And no, I do not think that in Scenes and in Octavarium the ideas from Falling Into Infinity are developed at all.
 
got ya...!!! Ok... at least we agree that Falling into Inifinity is way better than their last four albums... right...??? nothing to do with heaviness but with their tired ideas with the solution of monsterfull and fast solos.. right...???
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I only have six of them but I can safely vote for Octavarium.  Just so dull.  And the title track that everyone raves about as being the saving grace ain't no great shakes IMHO.
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Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!


What I find ironic is that under the pressure of the record company to release a somewhat 'commercial' album, they made one of their best albums, definitely better than all those made with Rudess Wink (not being sarcastical or joking)


I got the impression you don't like the heavier side of DT!Wink


That's one part, but the main issue is the unoriginal side of DTWink
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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!


What I find ironic is that under the pressure of the record company to release a somewhat 'commercial' album, they made one of their best albums, definitely better than all those made with Rudess Wink (not being sarcastical or joking)


I got the impression you don't like the heavier side of DT!Wink
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Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!


What I find ironic is that under the pressure of the record company to release a somewhat 'commercial' album, they made one of their best albums, definitely better than all those made with Rudess Wink (not being sarcastical or joking)
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Their debut is very good, just the production quality is laughable. Falling Into Infinity is their worst IMO.

-Jeff


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TAKE THAT YOU FOOL! Wink
 
Here you said it... right...??? or what do you mean then...??? not that have the same sound but that the ideas from the Falling into Infinity where long developed in those two albums... right...??? jejeje... if it's not what you meant... jejeje.. sorry...!!! Embarrassed


No, that's not what I meantWink

I meant that Falling Into Infinity is better than Scenes and Octavarium. And no, I do not think that in Scenes and in Octavarium the ideas from Falling Into Infinity are developed at all.
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Falling to Infinity. The only cd they did with the pressure of a record company to make some hits. But ironically, the longest tracks are the worst songs on the cd!
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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Their debut is very good, just the production quality is laughable. Falling Into Infinity is their worst IMO.

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TAKE THAT YOU FOOL! Wink
 
Here you said it... right...??? or what do you mean then...??? not that have the same sound but that the ideas from the Falling into Infinity where long developed in those two albums... right...??? jejeje... if it's not what you meant... jejeje.. sorry...!!! Embarrassed


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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Systematic Chaos. It's very, very heartless, remote, routine, and screams "out of ideas."

I'm also willing to say Falling Into Infinity is a better album than Scenes from a Memory, or at least just as good. I like most of the shorter songs on FII, and it doesn't have random honkey-tonk crap from Rudess.


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Agree...!!! totally... just that Scenes is a little better for the whole concept... but in sound and the ideas of Rudess... darn...!!! Sherinian is so underrated... he's great... and has a different vibe in his performance, that makes DT solos really interesting... not just "The fastest, the thoughest, the meanest...."
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Systematic Chaos. It's very, very heartless, remote, routine, and screams "out of ideas."

I'm also willing to say Falling Into Infinity is a better album than Scenes from a Memory, or at least just as good. I like most of the shorter songs on FII, and it doesn't have random honkey-tonk crap from Rudess.


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Systematic Chaos. It's very, very heartless, remote, routine, and screams "out of ideas."

I'm also willing to say Falling Into Infinity is a better album than Scenes from a Memory, or at least just as good. I like most of the shorter songs on FII, and it doesn't have random honkey-tonk crap from Rudess.


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I haven't rated Train of Thought on Mike's site yet, but it is my next listen from my re-listening to DT.  I'm not sure where it will fall.
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Octavarium.. though all their albums after ToT haven't impressed me much really. DT have somewhat stagnated with their ideas since.

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