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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2009 at 08:15
Originally posted by kingfriso kingfriso wrote:

I'm audiophile enough to refuse every cd/mp3 if I can get (in theory, some vinyl is hard to get) a vinyl copy of the record.
 
vinyl is becoming easier to get, there are many companies re-issuing albums but  unfortunately the discerning audiophile needs deep pockets Ermm
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2009 at 01:15
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If I play a MP3 track and the same track in lossless I can certainly hear the difference in both detail and dynamics but to be honest you do need a system that resolves well in order to notice the difference from my experience.
Even my so called non audiophile friends can hear the difference, but on most computer based systems I dare say you would be hard pressed to notice much of a difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 23:31
The difference between 192kbps MP3 and loseless audio is absolutely squat for me, and if there is any difference, it's not worth the extra hard disk space.
I'm not really an insanely audiophile-ish person, I honestly don't really own an expensive audio systems. My main thing is about production really. I cannot listen stuff (or just not as often) that has really poor production.
Examples, such as metal albums with guitar tones that are a horrible, grating mid scooped grind (... And Justice For All, Cowboys from Hell) tend to make it a difficult listen for me. I'll probably end up selling me copy of AJFA purely for that reason alone.
 It's just so much easier to sit through an album with bigger and warmed guitar tones (like Colors by Between the Buried and Me with it's big low mid chunk and pretty much all of Pelican's stuff for example) for me personally because you're not being blasted with excesses of low end and high end.
Once I get a more permanent job however, I will upgrade my studio monitors to something more high end so I can take advantage of the well produced albums in my library.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 18:52
I have what could be considered a high end system. (Sim Audio Moon W3 power amp, Linn Kairn pre-amp, Newform Research R-645 modded speakers with outboard crossovers, Kimber wire through out.  I also use a Benchmark Media Dac 1 with USB connected to a Rotel RCD 990 as a transport.
I have my complete collection stored on hard drive in so called lossless format and I must admit that the Benchmark outboard DAC is light years ahead of any on board computer DAC/soundcard I have ever heard. The USB stream going straight to the outboard DAC is the trick to getting decent sound from your computer. It's very good and the Benchmark manages the problem of jitter perfectly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 08:58
I'm audiophile enough to refuse every cd/mp3 if I can get (in theory, some vinyl is hard to get) a vinyl copy of the record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2009 at 16:38

 

Hi Guys

Audiophile?

I don’t know but I’m a person who enjoys a really good quality recording. Unfortunately they are not too many good recording (progressive/heavy metal) I mean to compare to some HD recording (mastering) like XRCD,K2 ,SACD and so on….Nevertheless it is all about music that is what I have missed the most.

After some time I did realize that I’m listening only good recording CD’s LP’s but not necessarily good music or music that I like. ETC sounds vs Music. Now my system is nearly finish and I do hope

to turn things around that is .”Enjoy the music”

www.jirihifi.com

   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 15:35
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ you should be able to identify 128kbit MP3 even on a half-way decent system. As for whether you should use 192, 256 or 320kbits ... who cares? If you already have most of your collection at 192kbit, why go through the trouble of re-ripping it all again.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 15:25
^ you should be able to identify 128kbit MP3 even on a half-way decent system. As for whether you should use 192, 256 or 320kbits ... who cares? If you already have most of your collection at 192kbit, why go through the trouble of re-ripping it all again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 14:03
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ exactly. Personally, I don't ever think about that when I listen to music. A few years ago when I started to rip all my 1000+ albums as MP3, I was concerned ... but whenever I listened to the tracks - especially those that I had listened to on CD countless times over the years and knew in and out - I found no difference to the originals, and that really encouraged me to accept MP3.Smile 

I have tried to tell the difference between a cd, a 320 kbps mp3, and a 256 kbps mp3. At a reasonable listening level I noticed no difference between any of them. I have even been thinking about reripping my cds to 192 kbps. I have everything from 128 to 356 on my mp3 player, and I never notice which is which. The only time I notice bad quality sound is when the recording itself is bad quality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 13:27
[QUOTE=Dominic]So, considering that we're on the subject of audiophilia, my longtime headphones have finally betrayed me; anyone have some phones they're especially proud of or feel like making a special recommendation?


Sennheiser 650. Trust me. :)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 00:32
So, considering that we're on the subject of audiophilia, my longtime headphones have finally betrayed me; anyone have some phones they're especially proud of or feel like making a special recommendation?




Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ I really am. Just finished listening to this fine album on my computer:

http://www.emusic.com/album/Kotebel-Ouroboros-MP3-Download/11447196.html

Heavily recommended to ... anyone really, I cannot imagine any Prog fan not liking it.


Just got around to checking this out, super nice tunes; thanks Big smile




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 15:55
I purchased Wavering Radiant both on vinyl (excellent gatefold cover!) and as MP3 from eMusic.com:

http://www.emusic.com/album/Isis-Wavering-Radiant-MP3-Download/11412845.html

Maybe I'll get around to conducting a little experiment tomorrow: First I'll listen to the album on vinyl on my hi-fi, then I'll listen to the mp3s on my computer. I'll let you know if I hear a difference!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 15:51
I don't know much about the actual tech details between Mp3 and Wav files, but i do notice that ambient sounds feel like they have a slight bit more range, and are more prominent and pristine when comparing a CD vs MP3 of the same music. Of course, if you were listening to some pop song you probably could hardly notice the difference, but listening to music like Isis or GYBE, the difference feels quite obvious to me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 11:28
^ I really am. Just finished listening to this fine album on my computer:

http://www.emusic.com/album/Kotebel-Ouroboros-MP3-Download/11447196.html

Heavily recommended to ... anyone really, I cannot imagine any Prog fan not liking it. And it surely put my Logitech speakers to the limit.Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 11:11
^ If you are happy, be happy. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 10:29
I have an ASUS P5N-E SLI motherboard. When I first got this new computer I also used my Creative X-Fi soundcard, but I soon got rid of it because of driver problems (I use Vista 64bit).

Ever since I've been using the onboard Realtek hi-def sound card ... and I'm very happy with it. There is absolutely no audible interference from any component of the computer ... IMO it is simply an esoteric belief of many audiophiles that they have to protected their equipment from each other all the time ... every gadget needs its own power supply, the power supply needs power filters, the speaker cables need active shielding etc..

Come on people ... trust your ears!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 10:23
A modern sigma-delta DAC semiconductor costs around $0.10 to make and wipes the floor with the DACs from 30 years ago, but it is the associated circuitry around it that elevates it from adequate to hi-fi and then finally to audiophile. With all the best intentions in the world, a PC motherboard, chassis, power-supply and cooling system is not designed to be an hi-fi environment. A DAC on a motherboard not can be hi-fi and a high-quality soundcard may have impressive specifications, and coupled to some good quality speakers may sound very good, but it will never be audiophile since it is impossible to isolate the digital systems from the audio path - even on the soundcard you cannot get away from the PCI bus and all the associated rf radiation that emanates from the edges of the digital signals.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 09:54
^ No doubt, some people will invest a lot of money into such esoteric devices.I never would. Today even your average low cost computer mainboard contains high quality DAC circuitry. Unacceptable by most audiophiles, I know. But again I trust my ears.Smile

Think about it: DAC circuits have been around for 30 years. Today computers are much faster, and more importantly: Manufacturing processes have been optimized. *Maybe* in the late 80s/early 90s it would have made sense to buy a $4000 CD player, but today? Come on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 07:18
Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:


I think this is the real problem: Some people simply refuse to believe that if you remove 82% of the original, the result can still sound exactly like the original (judged by human ears).

I think this line may sum up the audiophile problem with MP3. They know audio data is missing and may be pychosematic (bad spelling)  to what they are hearing- it can't be as good can it? therefore it isn't
Compared to an analogue recording there is missing information in all digital data, including pure WAV files and  lossless compression methods. Compared to a live concert hall performance there is missing information in an analogue recording. Neither analogue nor digital is capable of reproducing the whole frequency spectrum or full dynamic range of a live situation. (even if that "live" situation is a recording studio).
 
The goal of Audiophile is two fold - a) to minimise the effects of those losses, and (more importantly) b) not to add any more extraneous information into the system.
 
A case in point (as mentioned by Oliver Stoned some time back) is the iPod - it is not an audiophile system, while the Wolfson audio DAC is at medium audiophile standard, the analogue circuitry between the DAC and the headphone socket is not. Audiophiles can have their iPods modified to bypass that analogue circtuitry, (http://www.redwineaudio.com/iMod.html), but they still will prefer to play lossless over mp3.
 
From a purity perspective bad mp3's remove information and add unwanted artifacts - higher bit-rate mp3s combined with higher sampling rates minimise both but at a price (file size). It is becoming evident that 256Kbps mp3 is indistinguishable from Red Book standard CD files for most people but anyone who is "unhappy" with CDs is not going to be "happy" with mp3 either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 06:26
^ exactly. Personally, I don't ever think about that when I listen to music. A few years ago when I started to rip all my 1000+ albums as MP3, I was concerned ... but whenever I listened to the tracks - especially those that I had listened to on CD countless times over the years and knew in and out - I found no difference to the originals, and that really encouraged me to accept MP3.Smile 
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