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CPicard
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Posted: November 07 2009 at 13:46 |
Henry Cow.
What do you mean, "They're not that popular"?
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: November 07 2009 at 13:01 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.
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Same here even though I've seen them six times. Every time seemed no different. And that Abnoxious Neil Peart drum solo that hasn' changed much since the 70s. I actually adread Neil Peart drum solos.
Basically just about anything past the seventies I can't get into.
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emdiar
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Posted: November 07 2009 at 12:53 |
Emerson, Lake and Palmer..........NO!! A couple of tracks here and there, maybe, at a stretch. Trillogy gets a partial spin ("From the Beginning") every year or five, but I gave up trying to really like 'em in 1980. God knows I'd tried, when I was 12 and discovering the delights of Nursery Crhyme, Fragile, Going for the One, DSotM, Six Wives etc, and everything I read on prog seemed to suggest I should be listening to prog's first super group. Well I did, and it left me totally unmoved.
I gave them a good crack of the whip; borrowed all the albums, two by two, from the local library; taped a friend's Tarcus; learned how to draw the logo on my school book covers, the lot!
In the end I just gave up, and nothing I've heard since has ever changed my mind.
Does that make me a bad person?
Edited by emdiar - November 07 2009 at 13:02
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Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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Xanthous
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Posted: November 07 2009 at 09:10 |
Most Prog-Metal.
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progger7
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 15:51 |
mars volta between the buried and me
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Gritz
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 15:47 |
I guess there's a few, but one in particular (for me) has always been a Prog band I've tried but struggled to appreciate: Dream Theater. They've come up so many times over the years with friends and whatnot. The whole "ohmigod-Dread-Theater--Prog Gods!" and everything, but I just couldn't get into 'em.
Coincidentally enough, just the other day a buddy at work dropped Dream Theater's "Black Clouds & Silver Linings" on my desk, and I'm giving them yet another try.
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Dionysus thought me mad
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 12:21 |
Snow Dog wrote:
SonicDeath10 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all. |
I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?
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Excuse me? I fully stated they are good musicians. I just don't buy that Neil Peart is the überdrummer who is miles ahead of any others. He is a very good drummer, but there are several other drummers who are equally good. This is what I want to put into perspective, and nothing else. Many bands have great musicians, not just Rush; that is all I wanted to state. Got it now?
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Many bands have great musicians? Wow ain't that controversial! Do I get it? Sorry...I'm too feeble to undrrstand your big words....
I couldn't really give a damn about your opinion.,
GOT IT? | Whoa dude...an opinion is an opinion. Just relax. Not everybody loves Rush as much as you. It's not a crime. |
Why bring this up? Its old. Whats it to you antway? |
I was just in a bad mood at the time. Forget about it.
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"Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy
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Logan
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 15:57 |
The Block wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
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Spocks Beard is good if you have never listened to them. |
I'm giggling at the other possible way to interpret this (Spock's Beard is only good if you don't listen to them).
PT isn't like Pawn Hearts though, people have so much trouble with Pawn Hearts because it's one of the most avant-garde albums in the Top 50 and most people here aren't already into avant-garde music. I assume Block here doesn't like PT because it's boring pop-rock. ;-) |
I meant that if you have never listened to Spocks Beard you might want to try them out. |
Spock's Beard would have been better for me had I never listened to them in a way. Spock's Beard was highly recommended to me by some joker about five years ago, and what a major disappointment. I actually bought Snow based on various glowing comments without hearing a note -- huge mistake. I got rid of the album fairly quickly. I had only got back into Prog not that long before and this was one of my first forays into modern Prog. It's a good thing I quite quickly discovered Miriodor and Volapuk thanks to my own research and finding music samples -- that revivified my interest in recent progressive music. I found SB insipid, and I thought it would be a lot funnier with a name like that, but to each is or her own. But talk about a snow-job. I can't say I ever really tried to get into SB, though. It really did not seem worth getting into. I've been told that V is considerably better. Morse has an irritating voice to these ears, though, and I don't like AORish music generally so I probably won't try to get into the music. There's more than enough music out there I've never heard to experience that I will like to bother trying to get into one that might never appeal. EDIT: Actually, I did listen much later to samples of other music by SB, but also found it very poor. While tastes develop and change over time, SB is not a band that I want to develop a taste for (I feel the same way about other projects in PA). I actually, personally, don't like to "try" to get into music. I know when I hear it the first time if I've been, at the least, intrigued enough that I'll want to hear it again. I may grow to like and album more or less over time (commonly less), but on fist spin I pretty much know if this is one where my appreciation will deepen with subsequent spins. Who knows, given more of a chance, maybe I would have liked Snow more, though I thought it really poor, but I was discovering so much new-to-me music back then that I didn't have time for one that seemed to me to be a sub-standard project. For me, it's about the worst album I've ever bought, but it was much acclaimed by many. Maybe it was the wrong SB album for me to start with, but it can be hard to change a really bad first impression. It's matter of taste and experience... Little reason why others should like what I like and why I should like what others like. Good, bad, it's so subjective.
Edited by Logan - November 04 2009 at 16:14
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 15:29 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 14:45 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Logan
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 14:19 |
SonicDeath10 wrote:
I could never really get into Premiata Marconi or whatever (sorry, I know there's another word can't think of it) though I do like the track el Fiesta or whatever (again, never got into them). |
Funnily enough, "E' festa" is about my least liked PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi) track off the band's first three albums (I don't count the English language versions or that pre-PFm album). Give me "Dove... Quando... (Parte II)" off Storia di un Minuto. I'm not nearly as keen on PFM as I once was, however. The sound is often... sludgy.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 14:12 |
SonicDeath10 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all. |
I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?
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Excuse me? I fully stated they are good musicians. I just don't buy that Neil Peart is the überdrummer who is miles ahead of any others. He is a very good drummer, but there are several other drummers who are equally good. This is what I want to put into perspective, and nothing else. Many bands have great musicians, not just Rush; that is all I wanted to state. Got it now?
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Many bands have great musicians? Wow ain't that controversial! Do I get it? Sorry...I'm too feeble to undrrstand your big words....
I couldn't really give a damn about your opinion.,
GOT IT? | Whoa dude...an opinion is an opinion. Just relax. Not everybody loves Rush as much as you. It's not a crime. |
Why bring this up? Its old. Whats it to you antway?
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fortyninedays
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 13:57 |
Magma. I like the the instrumental aspects of The Mars Volta, but I'm on the fence with the vocals.
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 21:42 |
I could never really get into Premiata Marconi or whatever (sorry, I know there's another word can't think of it) though I do like the track el Fiesta or whatever (again, never got into them).
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 21:40 |
A Person wrote:
Gillywibble wrote:
I've never got into Zappa. Admittedly, I only have Strictly Commercial and although I can appreciate the quality of his musicianship, his lyrics I just find juvenile and irritating.
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Not all of his music has lyrics, Hot Rats has only one song with lyrics, Jazz From Hell has no lyrics, etc.
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It also depends on his albums. His early 60's stuff was actually pretty astute social commentary. There is also an element of social commentary on his later albums...it's just hard to hear through the silliness. Strictly Commercial is NOT the best way to get aquainted with Zappa.
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A Person
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 17:37 |
Gillywibble wrote:
I've never got into Zappa. Admittedly, I only have Strictly Commercial and although I can appreciate the quality of his musicianship, his lyrics I just find juvenile and irritating.
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Not all of his music has lyrics, Hot Rats has only one song with lyrics, Jazz From Hell has no lyrics, etc.
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Gillywibble
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 17:30 |
I've never got into Zappa. Admittedly, I only have Strictly Commercial and although I can appreciate the quality of his musicianship, his lyrics I just find juvenile and irritating.
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There is in fact more earth than sea.
http://www.last.fm/user/Gillywibble
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XunknownX
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 22:18 |
Textbook wrote:
What is a real example of fake prog? I know bands have pretended to belong to certain movements for credibility and sales but I'm not really aware of people doing this with prog. |
By fake prog i mean bands that does music that isn't what prog is all about, like ordinary radiomusic, that for some reason some suddenly think is prog. Like We can't dance by Genesis, some cheezy 80's neo-prog, non-hybrid music (the whole idea about prog is to mix different genres into a new artform, not just to make pop a bit less radiofriendly), etc.
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 21:28 |
NOt a fan of Dream Theater. Never got into UK either. Dull to me.
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 21:27 |
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all. |
I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?
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Excuse me? I fully stated they are good musicians. I just don't buy that Neil Peart is the überdrummer who is miles ahead of any others. He is a very good drummer, but there are several other drummers who are equally good. This is what I want to put into perspective, and nothing else. Many bands have great musicians, not just Rush; that is all I wanted to state. Got it now?
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Many bands have great musicians? Wow ain't that controversial! Do I get it? Sorry...I'm too feeble to undrrstand your big words....
I couldn't really give a damn about your opinion.,
GOT IT? |
Whoa dude...an opinion is an opinion. Just relax. Not everybody loves Rush as much as you. It's not a crime.
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"Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy
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