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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: May 12 2009 at 15:13 |
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My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
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TonyJames
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Posted: May 12 2009 at 10:42 |
In retrospect...it seems like the focus in the neo-prog world is..."Hey, lets get the sickest players in the world and make an album." What happened to the writing???
I don't want to hear a bass player that sounds like Squire. I don't want to hear a drummer that sounds like Bruford...I want to hear originality! Why is that so difficult?
Oh...and all of the above rant...Mike Portnoy gets a pass, he's amazing and his style is all his own.
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TonyJames
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Posted: May 12 2009 at 10:36 |
Funny.....actually listening to Fragile right now. Always listening to old YES, old Genesis, old Gentle Giant, old Be Bop Deluxe, old Pink Floyd, old Nektar, old Rush and old Utopia. Anybody notice a trend here? Everything is friggin' OLD!
I've yet to hear a "neo-prog" album that blows me away. Marillion, Spocks Beard, Flower Kings, Dream Theater...ugh. Some respect for the killer playing with these bands, but it's just one big regurgitation.
If I waste one more dollar trying to find it, I'll go nuts. It's like being a junkie and chasing the dragon!
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: May 12 2009 at 07:52 |
I listened to Close to the Edge and And You And I just this morning while driving the car.
This evening I'll tune the cd player on Siberian Khatru.
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American Khatru
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Posted: May 12 2009 at 05:48 |
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Jiggerjaw
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Posted: May 12 2009 at 01:47 |
Yes is amazing. Tales from Topographic Oceans was the last of their albums that I got, and I'm still kicking myself for missing out on it all that time.
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Ahahahaha! Well done.
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 17:54 |
[QUOTE PS. Sorry to hear about the doggie head. Get well soon. [/QUOTE] Thanks...it's really becoming a challenge in my life...It's actually the name of a song by Yezda Urfe...and the photo of my dog's head on my body seemed appropriate
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My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
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American Khatru
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:07 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
Padraic wrote:
I don't listen to Yes too much these days, but only because I've almost got their tracks memorized note for note at this point - I've been an uber fan for almost 20 years now.
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Ditto that...I can listen to Yes in my dreams...note for note...instrument by instrument...harmony by harmony...after so many listens some things become ingrained in the brain!
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You know, I ought to be saying that. And yet... In the interest of full disclosure, there was a period of a good many years, leading up to a point about a year ago I think, when I did not listen much to them basically for that reason. (And when I did, it was TALES folks! Tales and a little CttE.) No enmity, just that I'm now (jeez!) a 30+ year fan. But then you cycle back for some reason, and somehow there are new reasons to listen; I'm certainly not hearing anything new by now (maybe a hi-hat closing that I didn't notice before or something incidental like that). It's crazy. At least I can say, with classical music (which I went a bit into earlier in this thread), these deep pieces may stay with you for life and you can almost always find new recordings, rediscover things in previously known ones, etc. But here I was grooving to Close to the Edge the other day - the self-same session I've known just about all my waking life. I have a theory. The key is in that I change and the music stays the same. The music is good enough to stay interesting to a changing, hopefully maturing, person. (The feeling of nostalgia is one of the more minor products.) Borges might have said in fact that the reading (listening) changes the music, following the fact that it's the listener who changes. Or, I still dig it. PS. Sorry to hear about the doggie head. Get well soon.
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: May 08 2009 at 17:53 |
Padraic wrote:
I don't listen to Yes too much these days, but only because I've almost got their tracks memorized note for note at this point - I've been an uber fan for almost 20 years now.
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Ditto that...I can listen to Yes in my dreams...note for note...instrument by instrument...harmony by harmony...after so many listens some things become ingrained in the brain!
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My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: May 08 2009 at 15:05 |
moshkito wrote:
When I came to César Franck I knew I was hearing the same sorts of ideas of form used by Yes in Tales - speaking only of form now, not content - in that all themes are generated from a very few, or one, simple idea. Came to learn this was dubbed "cyclic form." That was an immensely exciting discovery for me!
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Here, here regarding Cesar Franck! Vastly unrecognized. Among others, his Symphony in D, the Violin Sonata, the Les Djinns symphonic poem, and the Prelude, Choral and Fugue are all masterpieces, and all composed in an almost manic productive 5-year period when he was in his early-to-late sixties. Should be hailed as the greatest French (although Belgian-born) composer ever.
Thank you for your patience. And now, back to the Yes thread. . .
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Necromancer
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Posted: May 08 2009 at 08:38 |
I don't. I've never heard of them, except for the fact they're in the top 40 popular bands on this site.
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88melter
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Posted: May 08 2009 at 08:36 |
well said, by all.
bye for now,
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American Khatru
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Posted: May 08 2009 at 06:43 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I still think that "Tales of Topographic Oceans" is one of the best rock albums ever made ... maybe it was because I had a sensibility and leaning towards long cuts, had enjoyed classical music since I was a tiny tot ... and always looked forward to seeing musicians my age ... show their art ... instead of overloaded, and grossly over rated, pop music!
I thought of things like Thick as a Brick, A Passion Play, Topographic Oceans, Mike Oldfield, Vangelis, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream ... and many other long pieces as the "classical music" of our time ... unffortunately many people decided that it was not rock'n'roll and trashed it silly ... and trahsed it hard ... it didn't help that even Ian Anderson was making fun of the long cuts, albeit in a weird way but still good, as the title was related to stuffed up folks and musicians ... that had a lot more to do with their ego than it did with their musicianship!
No one sits here and trashes Beethoven, or Mozart, of whomever ... and says that is is self indulgent and that the lyrics are pooh and paah ... and what not ... and that's almost like saying that the sacred stuff is now considered "good" and any attempt that you or I, or Yes in those days will put together .. is automatically defined as poop'ery.
In my book, all it is showing is the lack of knowledge and ability on many people, and specially those that can only have a 3 minute orgasm ... for them I don't even feel sorry, or care.
I respect the talent and the beauty ... and above all ... the desire ... to do something like Topographic Oceans ... it's hard ... and playing it is probably nerve wrecking since it is not chuck berry or some simple stuff that is just repetitions on a theme ... it takes no talent to do that btw ... compared to the other example.
You decide ... prog for me is about people trying things ... that were not done before ... Topographic Oceans is massive ... and one of the best that prog will ever create ... if we only give it a chance to let it play out. I wish I was a symphony conductor ... I would orchestrate that in a minute ... and I bet the concert hall would fill up ... the second part of the concert would probably be some Frank Zappa! hehe
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Moshkito, you and I ought to hang out. I entirely agree. Great post. It's thanks to Yes and a few others that I learned what it takes to listen to long forms, a difficulty with far greater dividends than any passive-listening experience can give. Thanks to the few and proud bands like this, I came to the music of Beethoven and then, far better and subtler, Mozart. People, if you don't know the Piano Concerti you ought to! Allow me to suggest (they're all very good, nearly all great, but...) #9 Eb, #22 Eb, #23 A (that almost killed me, since I could fill the page with other suggestions just as good). And then of course there's the amazing Brahms. I feel sometimes like he's practically a progger! Symphonies 3, 4, brilliant; all late works involving clarinet, totally out of hand and can be understood well by prog listeners; the two Piano Concerti. (Again, plenty else.) When I came to César Franck I knew I was hearing the same sorts of ideas of form used by Yes in Tales - speaking only of form now, not content - in that all themes are generated from a very few, or one, simple idea. Came to learn this was dubbed "cyclic form." That was an immensely exciting discovery for me! Ah, and Shostakovich... let me stop.
(Please don't anyone chime in to say that people who post stuff like the above are showing off or are
pretentious - that'd be too much here among friends on a site dedicated
to the deepness of prog.) So I count myself in that happy number who heard Yes early and got into the wonders of the classical and romantic eras that moved them. *** Tales is great front to back. I try never to listen to just parts of it, any more than I would just slap on the second movement of the 18th concerto, perfect little machine that it is. If I put Tales on, it's the whole 4 movement piece. Greatest record of the genre perhaps. *** Do I listen to Yes still? You bet. I've even decided in recent months to never again be ashamed of it. Sometimes a person will smirk or laugh, but whatever. Maybe, by being open, I'll occasionaly meet a kindred spirit. I had work to do the past two days which put me in need of a rental car to drive to points in New Jersey and Long Island. I burned some mp3 CD-RWs, since the car had an mp3 cd player. Of my own free will I listened, loudly, to all of Gates, much of Drama, all of Going For The One, with Awaken real loud. Almost brought Fragile and Close, but I knew that with the above I had enough to get me by. I had other stuff with me too (Decemberists, Le Orme, Rovescio della Medaglia, Höyry-Kone, others), things I planned to listen to because I'm getting to know them better. But what did I end up blasting on the Turnpike, singing with on the Expressway almost to the point of tears? "Pounding out the Devil's surmon..." "High vibration go on..." Never a dull moment. To borrow from what some others in this thread have already said, I love everything from Time And A Word to Drama. And I consider everything from Yes Album to Going to be true art; and everything from Close to Relayer is High Art imo. (As an aside, I bet a whole lot of people listened to them back in the day (perhaps still today) in a quite, well, stoned condition. But I say their music stands up to an eager listener's total awareness and waking, logic-bound scrutiny.)
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XunknownX
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Posted: May 07 2009 at 21:04 |
I know that hundereds of thousands are listening to Yes! In the seventies it was millions.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 03:31 |
Not played anything for over a year. Gonna make me a playlist for the short walk to town and back:
Yours is no Disgrace
Every Little Thing
Starship Trooper
Siberian Khatru
Heart of the Sunrise
Roundabout
Edited by el dingo - May 06 2009 at 03:31
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: May 05 2009 at 17:52 |
I've been rewatching Yes videos . . .
Most recently, Yessongs all the way through--I hadn't seen/heard the And You And I version in years. . .
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A Person
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Posted: May 05 2009 at 17:37 |
I've not listened to Yes lately, since I have been on an Italian Prog binge, but tonight while I get caught up on homework I think I'll listen to TFTO. i used to listen to CTTE quite alot, though.
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88melter
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Posted: May 05 2009 at 08:33 |
I have been listening to YES since 1973. They are the defining band in progressive rock for me. Their lesser material is still listenable, and their best material has no peer. I put the music on to complement or stimulate a wide array of moods and situations. Try making out to CTTE, or doing yardwork to Fragile.
Yes, I listen, and have been priviledged to be part of two bands that perform their music. CTTE, from Chicago, 1998-2001 and Prog, from Madison, WI, 2001 to the present.
Best wishes to Jon...
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inrainbows
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Posted: May 04 2009 at 18:02 |
I'm listening to YES frequently. It depends on the mood though
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MFP
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Posted: May 04 2009 at 18:01 |
Yesterday: Fragile
Today: CTTE
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