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rdtprog
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 16:37 |
Rock Music is here to stay whatever it takes... I don't care if it's limited to a limited audience or if the music has to integrate electronic sounds and instruments, there always going to be a audience that like some good guitar, bass and drums.
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Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness.
Emile M. Cioran
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mr.cub
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 10:47 |
The Kings are one of the few true rock bands out there. A unique vocalist, an edgy sound and great songwriting defined their first two albums. Older fans might not like the changes they've made sound wise over the last two albums but to me it seems like a natural maturation and progression of their sound. I enjoy their music, it is certainly more refreshing than other 'poppy' music out there
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 07:49 |
What do people here think of "The Kings Of Leon"?
I find them to be a little too poppy.
Anyone else?
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listen
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Posted: May 30 2009 at 13:36 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I am pretty sure he's just making fun of KISS. |
you mean the rolling stones?
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Now is all there is. Be before you think!
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Q6
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Posted: May 27 2009 at 06:34 |
Rock music (IMHO) is only the wrapper around a song. A great song can generally be played on an acoustic guitar. It's the way an artist chooses to produce his song that defines the genre. Technology has given song writers an easy way of producing their song, and a simple fact is it is easier to sequence drum / keyboards than it is to play a real instrument like the guitar. Therefore statistically more great songs will be produced using the more accessible and easier midi drums / keys etc than will be produced within the confines of a rock band.
Rock music therefore won't ever die, but it will become more specialised until technology provides artists an easy and authentic way of re-producing the rock guitar sounds and the real drum sounds that it currently cannot do.
Its all in the packaging :o)
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sealchan
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 17:42 |
I think Progressive rock is really current styles pushed beyond their current limitations played by musicians who love their instruments (including vocals) more than their fame. Music that tries, like a great painting, to say as much as it can as deeply as it can without loosing focus and packing in too much. In other words, music as art. It doesn't have to be unique in all aspects but it does have to show a desire to push the collective consciousness beyond its current limitations in some way shape or form.
And it has to ROCK!!!!!
The physical grounding of music, I suspect, should be the biggest determinant of how music will be shaped into the future. Certainly the technologies are developing so rapidly that one could easily create and record a song on a PC and publish it (to the web) with much less difficulty than before. This diminishes the need for many layers of record company and other political BS.
Technology these days encourages participation. Even American Idol promises that any of us might be a star. They will even show the super lame on TV. Virtual communities have already formed where musicians can give paid performances to users online (Second Life, for instance).
This might stack the deck in favor of electronica as the instrument is a computer, but I know that there are enough musicians out there (hoping that our school systems don't all drop their music programs) to keep acoustic instruments alive. And it isn't that difficult to mic these things.
But what drives many artists is a community they can please. It may be easier now with the internet to form smaller communities (scattered across the globe) to appreciate musical genres of less general interest.
I think we have to watch how the physical medium (or technological medium) of music develops and see how corporations form around the accessibility of that. The internet is a truly open-ended playground for creativity but someone usually finds a way to focus the energic flow and cash out on it through copyrights and proprietary standards and exclusive distribution rights...
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 23:03 |
fil karada wrote:
" When you want to hear where music is going in the future, you put on a King Crimson album." - Bill Bruford, 1995
Where are they now? 
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An alternate timeline where they're always in the future.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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fil karada
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 17:17 |
" When you want to hear where music is going in the future, you put on a King Crimson album." - Bill Bruford, 1995
Where are they now? 
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Some people find joy in knowledge. Some people find joy in ignorance. Some people just enjoy music.
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Quasar
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 17:00 |
Visitor13 wrote:
Yes, I get the point you're trying to make here, musicians should not be complacent etc. and I agree with this - but remember that there's only two roads you can take here: out or in. You go out and chances are people will lose sight of you. You stay in and chances are people will say you're a cliche. It's possible to be creative either way, but given people's present attitudes, audience-wise you're pretty much in a lose-lose situation. |
I'm not trying to say musicians or listeners should, or should not, do anything, I respect their freedom to do whatever they want.
But, in reference to "The Future of Rock Music", I suggested that the comfort zones provided by a "genre" driven system is the problem.
In the Sixties rock fans listened to everything from Led Zeppelin to CSNY to Black Sabbath to Genesis to Yes to The Eagles etc. etc. There were little or no genres then, but it WAS all new and never done before, so the fans flocked to it. I don't think they gave a crap about genres.
So I suggest that if the prog bands made new and exciting music, instead of copying the past, and the listeners became open to new horizons, instead of just clones of their favourite "old" bands, the future might well be brighter.
And on the "being creative" point, there's nothing wrong with having ones favourite bands from the past, and even wanting to sound like them (if you can't come up with a new sound by yourself), but at least try to take music where they might have gone with it, but never did?
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 05:48 |
Quasar wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Rock is a comfort zone. The defiant, the oddballs, the freaks are established genres in their own right.
Heck, I can't think of many genres that are not comfort zones nowadays.
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You're just making my point!
I don't think that the meaning of "comfort zone" implies the opposite is "uncomfortable zone". I really means familiar, as opposed to unfamiliar. I wouldn't advocate that we all make music that sets your eyeballs on edge. |
Heh, you mean music that doesn't set your eyeballs on edge is worth making/listening to in the first place  ? K, so how are you going to go about creating music that doesn't 'set your eyeballs on edge' without resorting to the dreaded familiar? Yes, I get the point you're trying to make here, musicians should not be complacent etc. and I agree with this - but remember that there's only two roads you can take here: out or in. You go out and chances are people will lose sight of you. You stay in and chances are people will say you're a cliche. It's possible to be creative either way, but given people's present attitudes, audience-wise you're pretty much in a lose-lose situation.
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Quasar
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 14:16 |
Visitor13 wrote:
Rock is a comfort zone. The defiant, the oddballs, the freaks are established genres in their own right.
Heck, I can't think of many genres that are not comfort zones nowadays.
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You're just making my point!
I don't think that the meaning of "comfort zone" implies the opposite is "uncomfortable zone". I really means familiar, as opposed to unfamiliar. I wouldn't advocate that we all make music that sets your eyeballs on edge.
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 08:09 |
weetabix wrote:
I've never experienced rock as something comfortable, it was originally designed to make you get up and move or in the old days,we danced. The drug era created psych and prog for people who couldn't dance, to sit on their ass and feel the music. The way good prog affects me is , it puts me in another time and place (w/out getting wasted) to achieve that sence and occasionally dance. |
Do you enjoy the experience? Surely you do, if you dance to it, or it makes you feel something similar to being wasted (without the nasty side effects)? How is this not comfortable? I'm pretty sure many of those who clamour for music to take them to 'uncomfortable' places would actually hate any music that just does that. Music that peeks out into space, but has things like catchy verses or choruses, fairly safe tonalities, 'classicised' or 'jazzed-up' (read: conventionalised) sections or 'emotional' solos to fall back on when things get tough doesn't count as 'uncomfortable'. It's like climbing the Everest with a gigantic safety net around you. It might be a lot of fun, but adventurous or really uncomfortable it ain't.
Edited by Visitor13 - May 19 2009 at 08:16
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weetabix
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 07:15 |
I've never experienced rock as something comfortable, it was originally designed to make you get up and move or in the old days,we danced. The drug era created psych and prog for people who couldn't dance, to sit on their ass and feel the music. The way good prog affects me is , it puts me in another time and place (w/out getting wasted) to achieve that sence and occasionally dance.
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 05:04 |
Quasar wrote:
Encourage the defiant, the oddballs, the freaks, and shun the sound-alike bands.
Oh, but where would your comfort zone go?
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Rock is a comfort zone. The defiant, the oddballs, the freaks are established genres in their own right. Heck, I can't think of many genres that are not comfort zones nowadays.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 04:50 |
crimson87 wrote:
Quasar wrote:
I have to say, after spending too much time reading all this thread, that so long as the so called "prog" fans appreciate, in the main, the sound-alike bands, shows that they just don't inderstand music at all. It's just a 'snobs club' !
There are some progressive bands being genuinely progressive, they get slammed.
Prog media is aften just as bad, wanting all prog to fit into their neat genres like Neo, Metal, Synphonic etc. ad nauseum.
You're making prog music stale!
Encourage the defiant, the oddballs, the freaks, and shun the sound-alike bands.
Oh, but where would your comfort zone go?
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 02:12 |
Whilst recently surfing the tube (Youtube, thats what us cool kids call it these days)
I came across these videos of FISH, on an English show called "Trial By Jury".
FISH discusses the future of Rock and Roll on this show, and the jury's verdict was very interesting.
FISH was on the supporting side of the argument "The spirit of Rock n Roll is dead".
FISH ON "TRIAL BY JURY" - PART ONE
FISH ON "TRIAL BY JURY - PART TWO
This is fairly relevant to this topic I guess, and thought it deserved a post.
-Joel.
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crimson87
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 22:54 |
Quasar wrote:
I have to say, after spending too much time reading all this thread, that so long as the so called "prog" fans appreciate, in the main, the sound-alike bands, shows that they just don't inderstand music at all. It's just a 'snobs club' !
There are some progressive bands being genuinely progressive, they get slammed.
Prog media is aften just as bad, wanting all prog to fit into their neat genres like Neo, Metal, Synphonic etc. ad nauseum.
You're making prog music stale!
Encourage the defiant, the oddballs, the freaks, and shun the sound-alike bands.
Oh, but where would your comfort zone go?
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YOU ROCK. PERIOD
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Quasar
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 21:31 |
Of course, there's another way to accomplish real 'prog' rock. The bands could do it!
One could put out a call to all prog bands;
"Be progressive, if you write something and have even one thought that maybe it sounds a little like 'so and so', then throw it out. Lets try to make 'prog' music new and adventurous"
Then the prog fans will listen to real 'prog' music!
but..........I'm dreaming, of course.
Edited by Quasar - May 18 2009 at 23:16
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Logan
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:51 |
^ There are many here, including myself, who share your concerns, Quasar.
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"Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967).
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Quasar
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:38 |
I have to say, after spending too much time reading all this thread, that so long as the so called "prog" fans appreciate, in the main, the sound-alike bands, shows that they just don't inderstand music at all. It's just a 'snobs club' !
There are some progressive bands being genuinely progressive, they get slammed.
Prog media is often just as bad, wanting all prog to fit into their neat genres like Neo, Metal, Symphonic etc. ad nauseum.
You're making prog music stale!
Encourage the defiant, the oddballs, the freaks, and shun the sound-alike bands.
Oh, but where would your comfort zone go?
Edited by Quasar - May 18 2009 at 23:24
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