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gleam 
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 Posted: April 29 2005 at 20:35 |
Ronald Reagan ranks the highest, say what you will but he rid us of the Russians.
In addition, his "trickle down economics" worked. He understood that the strength of the U.S. is not in large corporations, it's in the small business owner and their ability to create. His policies allowed small businesses to compete (remember Microsoft began in someone's garage, it certainly wasn't in the labs of IBM). Bill Clinton simply rode on the wave of his economic policies.
Nixon runs a close second, he opened up China, created detente with the Russians (it takes an SOB to deal with an SOB), got us out of a war that JFK got us into and LBJ didn't have the intestinal fortitude to deal with. Remember, this is the same guy who ran against Barry Goldwater in '64 promising the U.S. public that he wouldn't escalate the Viet Nam fiasco. Three months after he was elected he upped the ante by 100,000 troops.
George junior comes in third, the rest of the world may not like him because he takes the unpopoular stand. Howwever the man talks the talk and walks the walk. If you think I'm wrong, ask the Democrats about the downsides of not having "a position".
What's going on in Iraq is very interesting, they finally have a democratically elected goverment after fifty years. It won't be easy but they will find their way and be better for it. Democracy is like a cancer, it mestatizes very quickly...before you know it the rest of the middle east will catch it.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 18:06 |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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valravennz
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 17:51 |
 gdub411 wrote:
I love George W., but Ronald Reagan was the best.
Bill Clinton!??
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Ronald Reagan was neat but (again from an outsiders point of view) not up there in my mind except he was an ex-hollywood star and some luny tried to assassinate him!!
As for George "dubya" - what a war hawk he is! Just like his Daddy
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Garion81
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 16:17 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Clinton was good too, personal life should be left out of politics, IMO.
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The whole reason people were pissed at him is he wouldn't clean up the cum stains on the carpet in the oval office. 
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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:50 |
JFK. Even though he has connections to the mob, he was a good guy. With all the stuff that happened during his time, he really could haved f*cked up the entire world. But he didn't, which is good. Clinton was good too, personal life should be left out of politics, IMO.
Not too cause controversy or arguments or anything, but Reagan was a bad president. Take a look at his economic policies, unless you enjoy recessions. Nixon was ok, but very...odd? That's not the best word to use. He was also a criminal and lied, cheated, and tapped to get ahead. O well...
Ford didnt do anything, Carter was just there (altho he was a nice guy). LBJ was good in the begining, but then came the war. Dont care for either Bush. Again, theres the econmics of it all. And with W...it's just so bad...
You gotta love The US political history 
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Garion81
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:44 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Nixon for me,because he's the only one to publicly admit what a lying,cheating,conniving,immoral,duplicitous bastard he was.
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Only because he got caught! 
You mean the "I am not crook" man himself? Frank Zappa wrote a song about him called Son of Orange County. Pretty Funny. 
Jimmy Carter was a good man but a bad president. I remember the days of 20% inflation under him and he could do nothing. Hostages in Iran and he could do nothing. About the only good thing and it was pretty significant was the Camp David Accords with Israel and Egypt although it cost Anwar Sadat his life eventually.
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gdub411
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:24 |
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Almost Always, one can thank the previous administration for the current economy. The economy was starting to go into an upswing when Bill Clinton went into office....Walaa!...He's an economic genius. When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was slowing down for months already and in came George W. to recieve all the blame.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:18 |
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bill did kinda sell us out (cough....medicare, wasnt it) to make himself look like an economic genius
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gdub411
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:49 |
I love George W., but Ronald Reagan was the best.
Bill Clinton!??
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Spanky
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:49 |
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I voted Clinton, he made jobs and got us out of the red.
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Coalinga knows how to party.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:35 |
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Kick ass emoticons felixxx
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felixxx
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:28 |
These are the politicians: . THESE ARE BEHIND THEM $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.And this is how they see us: . You see, it's very simple. WE ARE DOOMED
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:07 |
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jimmy carter was a politician further form being a crook( and more morally concerned) than most civilians...too bad it (predictably) worked against him
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:55 |
Velvetclown wrote:
They were all crooks, just like any politician, anywhere in the world.
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my opinion tends to lean in that general direction too Velvetclown.
also, i cannot help but think that, to a certain extent, they're all just puppets of greater global influences
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:48 |
i find it very interesting that presidents, since 1960, from the state of texas, have all put us into war.
l.b.j
george bush
george w.
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felixxx
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:27 |
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What's the difference they are all the same puppets. oil and weapon companys rule this country and the rest of the world!
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:01 |
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I voted Reagan because he was a fair man. Everyone loved him---and for good reason!! Carter is a close second, however.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 09:56 |
Ever thought why Monica did not wash that dress if it was not to blackmail the president!
I suppose she wanted to keep a token of his affection, uh!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 09:53 |
Clinton made the whole planet laugh when he laughed at jokes from Chirac and Yeltsin! This made for calmer politics!
He also had the whole planet laughing at this Monica bit and the whole planet crying at stupid republican-backed judges on this impeachment.
Clearly the best president since Kenedy!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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threefates
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 09:48 |
JFK was a smart man... just not a good point in our history (cuban missle crisis) and he didn't really have enough time to cement his plan. Clinton, another smart man, was a great president (in the matters that were truly important)... all the sex and real estate crap was just "politics" at its best. Personally I say if a little extra fun in the Whitehouse helped him focus better... then give him fun!
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