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jimidom 
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 Posted: December 03 2008 at 13:25 |
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Gotta go with the Fab Four. Although there were others more instrumental in building prog, the Beatles embodied the very notion of pushing rock beyond its 3-chord blues & country roots.
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CPicard
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 11:54 |
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the Nice. By the way, I think that a lot of mid to late-sixties bands had been forgotten in this poll. The fusion of classical music and pop-music should be talked about.
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jammun
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 21:31 |
 Atavachron wrote:
yes, Zappa was crucial to rock progressing and was doing it while or before most of the British groups, but his impact on the Prog movement has always seemed unclear ..if one could pinpoint his influence on the English progressive scene I'd give it to him
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I'd say it's less an artistic impact than a business impact, and I'd argue the same was true for the Beatles during the very early era (1964 original British Invasion bands). By business impact I mean, Record Company A (in this case Verve) is making some money by virtue of Zappa (or thinks they will make money). Record Company B sees Verve having some success with that "weird" music and decides it had better sign a "weird" artist or two, just to not miss out should the whole thing pan out. Particularly in the '60s, I'd say this led to the signing of any number of bands who might normally have been left in the scrap heap.
I don't mean to diminish FZ's contributions -- we all know McCartney cited Freak Out as an influence for Sgt Pepper. But the impact is that some bands got signed to record contracts and released records, which in turn had some success which in turn allowed other bands to get signed, and so on.
Plus FZ was the first 'mainstream' rock musician I know of to actually use classical music in a song: the melodic quote from Stravinsky's Rite of Spring in Amnesia Vivace on Absolutely Free.
(Edit: personally I voted for the Beatles, for the above-stated reason.)
Edited by jammun - December 02 2008 at 21:34
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 20:09 |
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yes, Zappa was crucial to rock progressing and was doing it while or before most of the British groups, but his impact on the Prog movement has always seemed unclear ..if one could pinpoint his influence on the English progressive scene I'd give it to him
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 20:01 |
Atavachron wrote:
none on the list for building prog, I'd say the Nice --> ELP, early Yes & Genesis, Egg, Soft Machine, a few others
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Include Zappa and the Mothers of Invention in this list and that's a good assessment.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 19:51 |
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none on the list for building prog, I'd say the Nice --> ELP, early Yes & Genesis, Egg, Soft Machine, a few others
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Prisoner
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 18:17 |
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It's a tie between the Beatles and the Mothers.
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floepiejane
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 13:56 |
for sheer size and talent
it's gotta be the Beatles
For me - cause it's all personal
it's Pink Floyd Animals era because I was 5 when I heard it and loved it
I remember my uncle going away west on his bike to see Floyd in Cleveland that year
we weren't that far away in southern Western NY
ya gotta add Aqualung to that because he was playing that all the time then too  |
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: November 28 2008 at 14:24 |
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Jimi Hendrix. The Experience thereof.
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J-Man
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Posted: November 28 2008 at 13:37 |
Lav wrote:
I will always consider The Beatles as british invasion and that's about it, but when it comes to prog, Procol Harum pull the trigger.
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The Beatles WERE a British Invasion group. But listen to Abbey Road and Sgt. Pepper, and then you'll say that they were a british invasion group, who eventually made prog./////
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J-Man
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Posted: November 28 2008 at 12:24 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
The Mothers of Invention. Their Freak Out is what inspired the Beatles to go experimental.
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True, but the reason why prog became famous is The Beatles. Other people discovered America before Columbis, but he was the one who started a revolution and made other Europeans move to America and gets credit for it. The Mothers of Invention started prog before, but since The Beatles had fame, they created a revolution and started making prog famous.
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CPicard
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Posted: November 28 2008 at 11:46 |
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And what about the Left Banke?
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Rocktopus
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Posted: November 25 2008 at 04:51 |
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Along with The Beatles, one of these three:
The Mothers of Invention
Pink Floyd
Moody Blues
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: November 25 2008 at 04:34 |
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The Mothers of Invention. Their Freak Out is what inspired the Beatles to go experimental.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Roj
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Posted: November 25 2008 at 03:14 |
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I would have thought Deep Purple to be the obvious answer here.
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Kestrel
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Posted: November 24 2008 at 17:39 |
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Also I would think the Moody Blues were a big influence. Not so much the Moody Blues, but I believe Mike Pinder is who showed the mellotron to the Beatles. And of course Days of Future Passed.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: November 24 2008 at 14:11 |
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Lots of these bands had their big impact on Prog, but for me it's between The Beatles(Revolver, Sgt.Pepper's, Magical Mystery Tour and Abbey Road) and The Who(A Quick One, Tommy & Sell Out)
By no means these are my faves. Being objective, I'll have to go with The Beatles.
..Of course a special mention to all the others: The Doors' psych 'epics', Deep Purple's mix on classical and hard rock music(Concerto), etc..
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ModernRocker79
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Posted: November 24 2008 at 14:03 |
Out of this list it's not really close. If you add Zappa and then you have a case.
In my honest opinion the Beatles already were recording Progressive Rock with songs like "Strawberry Fields Forever", "A Day in the Life" and "Within You Without You" all recorded before Procol Harum. The Beatles were to varied to be classed as one genre. Some that are Proto-Prog IMO the early Art-Rock of "Tomorrow Never Knows" , "Eleanor Rigby" and "Love You To" off Revolver.
Strawberry Fields Forever" is at least Proto-Prog. With its use of mellotron, Indian scales and two separate versions of one song into one. Strawberry Fields Forever" uses diminished chords that are common with jazz music. It changes time signatures often 4/4, 6/8, 3/4, 2/4. Hardly simple stuff. It helped pioneer Progressive Rock.
"Happiness Is A Warm Gun" for example include a Balkan rhythm and a polyrhythm in different sections. Were they influenced by jazz?
"A Day in the Life", "I am the Walrus", "Within You, Without You", Strawberry Fields"... not really blues tunes, They were able to draw from diverse sources, like Indian classical music "Within You" uses a raga-like form that contains both major and minor thirds in different octaves, kind of a combination of mixolydian and Dorian modalities. Lennon used forms similar to Tibetan chants.
They were a big influence on King Crimson, Yes, early Pink Floyd and had some influence on Procol Harum. Like it or not they were the most popular band in the world and that matters a lot.
Edited by ModernRocker79 - November 24 2008 at 14:05
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b_olariu
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Posted: November 24 2008 at 12:58 |
Deep Purple 
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trackstoni
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Posted: November 24 2008 at 11:35 |
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Led Zeppelin since their first album , and , without Keyboard , has more than satisfying progressive materials than all the other bands listed above /////
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