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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 09:50 |
I have a different perspective.
Most of the Moody Blues career was done aster 1969, as a fact I do believe that their only 100% Prog release (Long Distance Voyager) was recorded in the 80's, as a fact The Moodies roots are in the 60's but most of their career is passed the 60's, so it was ridiculous to have them as Proto Prog.
On the other hand Procol Harum is an Icon of Proto Prog and lets be honest their career after "A Salty Dog" (1969) or if you want "Home" (1970), is less transcendental. It's also important to notice that Procol Harum roots go back until 1959 with The Paramounts (AKA The Pinewoods), so if we focus in the peak of their career and their importance for the genre, they can't be in other place than Proto Prog.
As a Proto Prog fan, I'm tired to see this real sub-genre being compared with Prog Related, Proto Prog is a necessary and logical stage of Prog evolution, without which, the genre wouldn't ever existed or had been completely different, while Prog Related is a parallel category that could had or had not existed without real significance for Prog.
The Proto Prog movement would not existed without songs like Fire (Arthur Brown) or A Whiter Shade of Pale" so moving Procol Harum is removing a good part of PP's identity.
My two cents
Iván
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 06:40 |
Guigo and I both feel that Procol Harum are misplaced and should be in a prog category. It is though up to the genre teams to decide who is in and who is not.
I think the Moody Blues are in the right place, presumably you are use just citing them as evidence re PH.
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mellors
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 05:46 |
On a similar note, I find it odd that The Who are considered proto-prog, when their major prog records were 69-73. Its just strange having the #1 proto album being Quadrophenia.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:48 |
* sound of half the membership looking up 'nascent' *
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:46 |
Ricochet wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
C'mon Rico! You and I both know that that's impossible by now... |
I found your question to be serious, especially because I haven't listenined to either bands' music, in order to tell the difference.
So I think an answer should match up your question.
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Really? Huh. Usually in reviews, outside of this site I mean, ala allmusic or private reviewers online, the two get lumped together for being nascent prog acts. Their approachs are totally different. And, if anything, I'd call Procol's proggier.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:38 |
The Whistler wrote:
C'mon Rico! You and I both know that that's impossible by now... |
I found your question to be serious, especially because I haven't listenined to either bands' music, in order to tell the difference. So I think an answer should match up your question.
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:32 |
C'mon Rico! You and I both know that that's impossible by now...
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 02:49 |
*waiting, with curiousity, for serious, perhaps even grown-up, answers* ( )
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:52 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:46 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Art rock lol
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:25 |
I still believe in art rock! Mind my words, it'll be back someday, and you'll ALL go, "Oh [the] Whistler! How could we have ever doubted you?"
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:21 |
Art rock lol
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:20 |
Why The Moody Blues are crossover prog, and Procol Harum is proto? I mean, dude! They both came out at the same time with their big ole "landmark" records ('67, Days Of Future and Procol Harum respectively). And, dude, by the late seventies Procol was clearly doing the proggier thing (I mean, Octave is certainly leaning in a poppier direction, whereas Something Magic has a song that takes up a single side! Who else was doing that in 1977? Well...Yes or ELP probably, but still).
Personally, I think they should both just be "art rock" and that'll fix everything. But, hey, what do I know? Convince me otherwise, if'n you can.
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