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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2008 at 06:36
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

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Hmm - try this link for the mp3; http://www.4shared.com/file/54746150/5c0effd4/test19f.html[/QUOTE]
 
 
the file seems to be protected by a password - can you post the password? Confused
 
 
 
The password is NWoBHM - but you won't need one if you visit the MySpace site I set up for this project; http://www.myspace.com/bludgeoningspawn - all 5 songs are there, and I'm pretty sure I set them to be downloadable, if streaming performance is an issue for you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2008 at 05:54
Fred- The password is at the top of the page.

And Mark, I will indeed start writing thrash songs, but right now, being able to consistently get down to writing songs, recording and production etc etc, is not something I can be sure I can do on a regular basis anymore, because I've got a lot of other music projects happening with friends right now, and that's my priority. Maybe Mike can join you on a thrash challenge, but I really just kinda wanted to do it more for the fun of it when I find the time, but yet still get feedback on my work, although I didn't mean for the fun of it in terms of just throwing together poorly written/ recorded songs, just not really up for 3 month challenge.

For me, I love pretty much all the 80s thrash period, from the early eighties right up to the early 90s stuff really (and of course, as some of you guys may know by now, Rust In Peace is my favorite thrash album of all time).
While making some attempts at the NWOBHM, i felt a bit limited by the soloing style, but thrash opens up the doors to more techniques to be incorporated.
Obviously the earlier 80s stuff was not so technical, mainly a lot of fast pentatonic licks, with more alternate picking than a lot of NWoBHM stuff, but obviously after a while, we had guys going for something more technical than the standard fare Hammett/Mustaine soloing style, to the more technicallly astute Marty Friedman, Alex Skolnick etc, you know the drill and personally I am to play the more technical lead style.
I must really work on my rhythm chops again, not as tight as it was about 6-7 months ago.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2008 at 05:27
[QUOTE=Certif1ed]Hmm - try this link for the mp3; http://www.4shared.com/file/54746150/5c0effd4/test19f.html[/QUOTE]
 
 
the file seems to be protected by a password - can you post the password? Confused
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2008 at 04:07
For once, I'm speechless...
 
Thanks!
 
 
I'm hardly likely to get uppity about offensive remarks about my music - after all, I never hold back when I'm talking about other people's music - and, as you'll see from my comments above, I'm happy to use words like "sucks" when decribing my own... Wink
 
 
/edit - Thrash Metal sould be a good concept for the next project - let's do it!!!
 
Same rules - 3 songs for a "lost demo" recorded back in the halcyon days of thrash, and 3 months to get them together.
 
The difficulty is choosing between 1983, when it was really raw, 1986, when it got serious (and the production tightened up) or later, when technical proficiency became the thing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2008 at 03:03
Ahh poop, I've had a lot of things going on in my life lately, so I've had time to just practice playing, scales, arpeggios, running through theory, but almost no time to actually sit down and write anymore, so no way will I have anything good for the deadline I'm afraidUnhappy
So I guess Mark has well and truly won, by an extremely long shot at thatTongue
But I guess this thread will keep going, so after the NWOBHM theme dies down, I'll start writing some thrash metal stuff, which is more my style of stuff I've recorded in the past, and I think I'm more confident in writing in the style of thrash metal than NWOBHM.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2008 at 20:03

They are a pretty pathetic lot here when it comes to getting feedback. Is everybody afraid of offending? Anyway, I'll give you some feedback.

Walk the Walk- This is the best one you have put up, and no, I'm not going to comment about the production- that is not you are trying to do or what it is about. This song could easily be put into full production by any band. Even the mumbles could be kept, but replaced with some news, documentary dialog. The lead was particularly well constructed, especially the 2 breaks- loved em. And you did it in a couple of hours- sh!t phenomenal!!! Had to listen to it again. This one should be done again as a studio production (even if it is a home production- I'm sure you know what I mean) and mastered out. It would make an excellent demo.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2008 at 03:00
...so I've uploaded another track to the MySpace of Bludgeoning Spawn... it's called "Walk the Walk".
 
What can I add to what I said above?
 
Only that I wasted an entire 2 hours on it last night, re-arranging, organising drum loops, improvising solo ideas, re-doing an out-of-tune bass, getting a roughly even mix throughout, and EQ'ing like mad.
 
The mix is still awful, and only sounds any good on headphones (NEVER mix on headphones alone like I did!!!) but I really like the way this one is panning out, structure-wise - and it's a lot of fun to jam to.
 
Apologies for any cheap jibes you may interpret from the lyrics - all the vocal ideas were jammed, ie, not pre-planned - I had no idea what I was going to sing, although I did sing the lines 5 or 6 times each to get an approximation of the right tune. You may notice that the words "Rhubarb, rhubarb", "Blah, blah" and "Jabber, jabber" have been left in...
 
I can only re-iterate that it's tongue-in-cheek Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2008 at 03:06
Thanks for listening to the music instead of the production Thumbs%20Up
 
I agree with the drums on JtWiG - I haven't done anything to the original pattern I used... you're right... as a click track. I'm going to sort out the falsetto backing - it's not supposed to be that frequent, and a dab of reverb, and maybe some chorus should blend it in better. I'm not going to use synths, because they're not in the original band spec (I started writing these tracks in another thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48197).
 
Very surprised you liked untitled - happy accident, I think, because it's currently a bit of a random copy-and-paste special - I was going to tidy up the arrangement and structure into something a bit more conventional - but perhaps I won't. Mix definitely needs loads of work though - hopefully I can do that this week.
 
I've got one, possibly two more (the original spec was for 6 songs that could be whittled down to 3 or 4 for an EP) out of 24 different session ideas that I had over the last 3 months.
 
The final one is very tongue-in-cheek - even more so than the rest of this project, and I wrote it in a 2-hour session on Sunday, with an hour or so mixing on Monday night. It needs some more arranging, but I'll definitely be putting it up onto MySpace before next Monday (which is when this challenge ends).
 
 
Thanks for the comments - I'll try to feed the ideas into all the tracks and get the demo into a slightly more consistent shape.
 
I'll do a bit of work on the MySpace site too - and try to get the overall feel of some long-lost 1970s HM band.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2008 at 20:32

Just listening to the others on your myspace upload- much better way to go.

Just the way it goes- Like it. Nicely constructed. Drums sound a little too much like a click track- needs some fills (this may be all you were after though). Changing the vocal falsetto behind the chorus to some synth harmony might be better- just a thought.

Instrumental- Nice upbeat piece. Better drum patterns on this one.

Untitled- Liked it the best. Good construction, some nice changes. This one has the best potential by my ears...

Your guitar playing is excellent.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2008 at 10:59
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Bludgeoning Spawn of Hell's Cesspits
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2008 at 05:36
OK, I've set up a MySpace site, and called this band Bludgeoning Spawn of Hell's Cesspits - I thought that was quite metal, even if it's more typical of the late 1980s than the late 1970s.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2008 at 03:52
No - I can't scream or growl (convincingly!), as I mentioned earlier, and I don't have time to work on my vocals to make them better, more's the pity. I don't think my falsetto's any more annoying than, say, King Diamond... Tongue
 
(but you're right, my falsetto does suck - I was trying really hard not to sound like Thom Yorke or Matt Bellamy, as my voice naturally tends to - and thought that a King Diamond approach might work better - I've noticed that Rob Halford uses that particular technique on some of the earlier Priest albums).
 
The whole piece is one big jam (I assume you mean the first one) - all of them are. I'd love to go back and straighten out the bloopers in the lead, but again, I'm not sure I have time.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2008 at 03:03

Good composition

But- I found some of the falsetto a bit annoying- can you scream or growl- might work better.

Loved the lead in the middle- had that jammin' feeling to it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2008 at 02:41
You should be able to click the links and enter the password NWoBHM - I just tried (after completely singing out of 4Shared and deleting all temporary files and cookies, so it didn't recognise me), and they all worked.
 
I'll create a new MySpace page and post the link - my existing one is for my other project with my "band" (just a colleague from work, but, you know, we try!).
 
Only 1 week left to go... basically I'm not going to be able to work on these any more, musically - it's going to be mixing all the way to next Monday's deadline.
 
However, having revisited some cassette demos from the time, I think my production isn't too bad, in comparison (even my singing isn't too bad, compared to bands like Blitzkrieg or Bleak House, both of whom Metallica covered). It's never going to be up there with major label production like Maiden or Saxon... Wink
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2008 at 03:34
Tried to get a listen also, but it appears as if only registered users can access it....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2008 at 12:01
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

and also the links to my demos.


Cert,
no matter how hard I try i cannot access this file...sorry.
can you upload it to your myspace and/or garageband pages ?

also, do you have your own personal web site ?






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2008 at 03:46
OK, here's track 3, AKA Test20e, AKA "Just The Way It Goes": http://www.4shared.com/file/55239174/75ac0f0e/20e.html
 
Apologies again for the soloing - I'm still trying to find a decent overall shape for it, so the noodle that's there will act as filler until I've worked out the tunes and chops. What's important at the moment is overall song structuring, melodies and general 1980s metal feel in the mix.
 
The vox are too far back in the mix, I realise that now, and the backing "ooos" aren't supposed to go with every chorus iteration - my fault for block copying and pasting - but I think I've got the bass guitar in the right place now.
 
I think this is my favourite of the 3 that are currently pencilled in for the EP - the lyrics make me laugh, as I'd just finished reading "The LIght Fantastic" by Terry Pratchett, so there's a lot of that in there.
 
 
I've also upped this (a 4mb mp3 - but again, you can stream it), which was something I wrote when I was supposed to be concentrating on this project - you know how easy it is to get side-tracked... I haven't mixed it at all, so all the boomy low freqs are there, along with the "ice-pick" highs.
 
 
The interesting thing about this is that I recorded all the guitar parts DI'd into the Pod (on which the JCM 800 was dialled up)  AND recorded live using my Shure SM-58 pointed at my Laney 45 combo amp, cranked up to feedback level - not so it fed back all the time, but as soon as I clicked in the active circuitry on my Thunder 1A guitar. So the rhythm parts are all on the edge of feedback, there's hum when the actives are kicked in, and I've basically alternated the two fun guitar licks with bass and feedback.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2008 at 03:19
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

What do you think about the overall production?

Does kinda mind me of the old 80s stuff, if that's what you're aiming forThumbs%20Up (And I'm listening to some old Judas Priest right now anyway).

I spent about an hour re-EQing all the tracks, concentrating mainly on getting a good rhythm guitar tone; I rolled off the bass and treble on every track, although I was a bit light-handed when it came to the bass, as I hate spoiling the thunderous sound of my Thunder 1A. I may have pulled it back too much, though...


Just realised we had one one of those basses at schoolTongue but think it a lower end version of what you have.
I couldn't hear a lot of bass, turn it up a little in the mix

I also removed compression from everything except the bass (all bass players worth their salt use a compressor!), which means that the "acousticy" bit in the intro is a bit rough - but maybe that adds atmosphere?

Getting rid of  the compression was nice actually, it just sounds better now and the sound isn't trying to slam itself in my face like over compressed pop, so good job thereThumbs%20Up
 
Once I'd done that, I balanced the tracks through monitors (my HiFi speakers...), and finished off by adding a light hall reverb to the entire mix, then bringing the volume up to -0.3db. I completed the mastering using Wavepad (a freely donwloadable program), Normalising the entire waveform, before using Wavepad to render the Wav down to mp3. Hopefully there's enough volume and detail in the mix now.
 
I'm still using entirely free software (in the tight budget spirit of this project) - but I reckon I could get an even better mix out of it - it's just that my ears are a bit tired of that track now (I'm not a Pro engineer, and never have been!). Any thoughts would be helpful, as they may spark off ideas.
 
What about the mix sucks?
 
What about the mix rocks (so's I can keep it!)?

The mix is fairly good, but not great, work on it a little.
 
 
If I get some time alone in the house before 28th July (which is unlikely), I'll redo the vocals, but otherwise, that's pretty much it, short of going through the 6-7 takes I made and copying and pasting shorter sections (cheating, in other words!).
 
I'd like to hear Rob Halford improvise something better at 2:30 in the afternoon on a Sunday, in the space of an hour, including all the harmonies - and vox and harmonies for 2 other songs at the same time, none of which have pre-written lyrics or melodies.
 
I don't doubt he could do it, I'd just like to hear it, so I can nick some ideas Wink

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Haha, don't worry, you have the advantage of perfect pitch so even if your voice isn't 'great' at least it's in tune. Since I don't have perfect pitch Cryand have never had singing lessons, I couldn't ever expect to be in keyLOL I usually laugh at my own attempts to singEmbarrassedTongue

Track 3 will be forthcoming shortly (track 2 needs a lot of work!).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 16:00
What do you think about the overall production?
 
I spent about an hour re-EQing all the tracks, concentrating mainly on getting a good rhythm guitar tone; I rolled off the bass and treble on every track, although I was a bit light-handed when it came to the bass, as I hate spoiling the thunderous sound of my Thunder 1A. I may have pulled it back too much, though...
 
I also removed compression from everything except the bass (all bass players worth their salt use a compressor!), which means that the "acousticy" bit in the intro is a bit rough - but maybe that adds atmosphere?
 
Once I'd done that, I balanced the tracks through monitors (my HiFi speakers...), and finished off by adding a light hall reverb to the entire mix, then bringing the volume up to -0.3db. I completed the mastering using Wavepad (a freely donwloadable program), Normalising the entire waveform, before using Wavepad to render the Wav down to mp3. Hopefully there's enough volume and detail in the mix now.
 
 
I'm still using entirely free software (in the tight budget spirit of this project) - but I reckon I could get an even better mix out of it - it's just that my ears are a bit tired of that track now (I'm not a Pro engineer, and never have been!). Any thoughts would be helpful, as they may spark off ideas.
 
What about the mix sucks?
 
What about the mix rocks (so's I can keep it!)?
 
 
If I get some time alone in the house before 28th July (which is unlikely), I'll redo the vocals, but otherwise, that's pretty much it, short of going through the 6-7 takes I made and copying and pasting shorter sections (cheating, in other words!).
 
I'd like to hear Rob Halford improvise something better at 2:30 in the afternoon on a Sunday, in the space of an hour, including all the harmonies - and vox and harmonies for 2 other songs at the same time, none of which have pre-written lyrics or melodies.
 
I don't doubt he could do it, I'd just like to hear it, so I can nick some ideas Wink
 
Track 3 will be forthcoming shortly (track 2 needs a lot of work!).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2008 at 07:14
Downloaded 19f.mp3.
Not bad Mark, good song structure and playingThumbs%20Up But as expected, the vocals weren't exactly Rob Halford or Bruce DickinsonTongue
I'm gonna upload some sorta improvised stuff soon, mainly a riff I've written out, with some silly lead improvisation thrown in tooEmbarrassed
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