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Poll Question: Best Album of 1991 (from my favorites)
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2008 at 01:45
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

"Best Year For Music" implies preferences.


But asking for years with landmark albums in multiple genres implies objectivity. Wink

Quote And, in my personal preferences, no post-1989 artist will ever produce anything remotely worthwhile. And no, this has nothing to do with my date of birth. I was born in 1988. I just don't care for 1990s and 2000s methodology and sounds. It just strikes me as vulgar and wrong. That being said, your list boasts some good stuff. Talk Talk is ace, for instance. Great, great album.


Well, you're wrong, but thankfully I don't need your opinion to agree with mine to continue to have my far superior musical taste. Tongue
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"Best Year For Music" implies preferences. And, in my personal preferences, no post-1989 artist will ever produce anything remotely worthwhile. And no, this has nothing to do with my date of birth. I was born in 1988. I just don't care for 1990s and 2000s methodology and sounds. It just strikes me as vulgar and wrong. That being said, your list boasts some good stuff. Talk Talk is ace, for instance. Great, great album.
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laughing stock is my favorite

and walter, its ok to like music that came out after you were born.  don't worry, your presence on earth didn't banish good music from existence.
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2008 at 01:28
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

One of the most abysmal years of music actually I would say. Loveless is my favorite album from the list, though Savatage's Streets is easily the best from the year.
 
How is it abysmal?
 
I'm not talking about personal preference here.  What other years have had so many albums that have gone on to be landmarks in the entire music scene, not just within a small genre (as in, no obscure prog gems)?


1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989.


The only problems are that:

a) that list is wrong
b) that list is clearly clouded by personal preferences and therefore cannot be taken seriously
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Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Meh.


I'll meh you. (I don't know what I mean by it either)


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - May 04 2008 at 01:24
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

One of the most abysmal years of music actually I would say. Loveless is my favorite album from the list, though Savatage's Streets is easily the best from the year.
 
How is it abysmal?
 
I'm not talking about personal preference here.  What other years have had so many albums that have gone on to be landmarks in the entire music scene, not just within a small genre (as in, no obscure prog gems)?


1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989.
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2008 at 01:20
Meh.
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Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

One of the most abysmal years of music actually I would say. Loveless is my favorite album from the list, though Savatage's Streets is easily the best from the year.
 
How is it abysmal?
 
I'm not talking about personal preference here.  What other years have had so many albums that have gone on to be landmarks in the entire music scene, not just within a small genre (as in, no obscure prog gems)?


1972?

That criterion for deeming it the best year is subjective in itself. My criterion is having music I enjoy. So, it's abysmal.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2008 at 01:06
Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

PEARL JAM WEREN'T GRUNGE!


Originally posted by wikipedia on pearl jam wikipedia on pearl jam wrote:

One of the key bands of the grunge movement in the early 1990s


Originally posted by allmusic on ten allmusic on ten wrote:

Nirvana's Nevermind may have been the album that broke grunge and alternative rock into the mainstream, but there's no underestimating the role that Pearl Jam's Ten played in keeping them there.


Originally posted by amazon on ten amazon on ten wrote:

#5 in music > hard rock & metal > Grunge


Originally posted by beth bessmer, music critic, on Ten, taken from amazon beth bessmer, music critic, on Ten, taken from amazon wrote:

Part of the '90s Seattle grunge triumvirate completed by Nirvana and Soundgarden, Pearl Jam debuted with Ten, their most accessible, least self-conscious album.


Yeah, Pearl Jam are grunge.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Say all you want people, even if you hate it, Nirvana's Nevermind, released in that year, was so much more influential that many of those albums... Yes, TEN was grunge at its best.. but it was Nevermind which broke the genre into the mainstream....
 
PEARL JAM WEREN'T GRUNGE!

Then again Grunge is another sh*tty genre label that doesn't make sense.  But if you were to analyze what a "grunge" band consists of you will notice they all have an appropriate mix of metal, and punk influence in their sound which could be heard in Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Green River, Nirvana, Mother Love Bone, and Screaming Trees. 

However, Pearl Jam was purely rock and roll.  They initially took the atmospheric moods of U2, mixed with the power and energy of the Who and created what is Ten.  The only metal element in that album is the mix on the album which the band (Jeff Ament actually) has said they wants to redo.  In later efforts the bands love of the Buzzcocks, Dead Boys, and Neil Young came to.  And sure the members do like metal (Mercyful Fate, Kiss if they count), but they did not have that so called "grunge" sound.


And if you want to do a comparison Ten was released before Nevermind and outsold it too.   Although Smells like Teen Spirit was a huge song.  Personally, I find Bleach and  In Utero to be far superior albums.

Anyway, from the list, TEN. A great album. I still don't get this anti-grunge thing...




Originally posted by the_binkster the_binkster wrote:

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Metallica - Metallica: changed metal completely; it was a massive mainstream success and influenced many of the 90s biggest metal bands and on top of that it is populated by some incredible songs.
 
90s biggest Metal bands like Korn? At least the album influenced Metaliica to make the much much better follow up known as Load. 

Achtung Baby - U2: a departure from U2's 'normal' style and summed up the musical world of 1991 completely embracing the alternative rock leanings of My Bloody Valentine and the grunge scene and the electronica "revolution". U2's only true masterpeice.
 
*cowers*

I always felt that Achtung Baby was Joshua Tree on electronics.  I mean its a good album but it is no match for the likes of October, Boy, War, Under a Blood Red Sky.  Then again I prefer Zooropa and Pop to Joshua Tree.

But you are right those are two important 1991 albums.



Edited by BroSpence - May 04 2008 at 00:54
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Not really an essential year for me. Still probably better than any other later year in  the nineties, I think. I vote for Low End Theory. Both that and Midnight Marauders are fantastic. The Talk Talk album is great as well.

I dug Pixies Trompe le Monde (still do), Sepultura Arise and Nirvana Nevermind of albums released that year, the most.
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 07:37
Damn, both the rap and the grunge album got votes even on a prog forum!  Good work guys.
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Ah man what a ridiculously frustrating poll! MY BLOODY, SLINT, PJ, annnnnd ATCQ???  How am I supposed to decided on one those these amazing albums!?!?!


Anyways, I chose ATCQ.  Low End Theory is a great album from start to finish and Ron Carter plays some sick bass on that shizzle.
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Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

I don't seem to remember any noodling...


The first three minutes and the last five or six are kinda pointless.  I think that song could've been amazing if it had been turned into a five to six minute song a la A Pitcher of Summer.


Funny, that doesn't bother me one bit. There's not one Kayo Dot song or part of any of their songs that I don't like. [/fanboyism]
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Really... the last two songs take a huge toll on me... it's like "ok, the album is not my thing but it's good, especially track 3 (don't remember the name)... suddenly... riff... cymbal crash.. riff.. cymbal crash... oh man! Track 5! Oh no... more of the same...hell... half of the album is made of these two tracks.... ".. it kills the experience.... It's so much of a trauma for me I will never forget the name of track 4... LOL
 
I'll listen to it tonight and I'll see if I can raise the rating up one star.... (i've tried that before.. believe me, I've noticed how the average is higher... but I just can't)...
 


Try just listening to the first three tracks, and imagine it as a three song EP with a bunch of meaningless filler tacked on Wink

Also, get Choirs of the Eye.
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

I don't seem to remember any noodling...


The first three minutes and the last five or six are kinda pointless.  I think that song could've been amazing if it had been turned into a five to six minute song a la A Pitcher of Summer.
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Really... the last two songs take a huge toll on me... it's like "ok, the album is not my thing but it's good, especially track 3 (don't remember the name)... suddenly... riff... cymbal crash.. riff.. cymbal crash... oh man! Track 5! Oh no... more of the same...hell... half of the album is made of these two tracks.... ".. it kills the experience.... It's so much of a trauma for me I will never forget the name of track 4... LOL
 
I'll listen to it tonight and I'll see if I can raise the rating up one star.... (i've tried that before.. believe me, I've noticed how the average is higher... but I just can't)...
 
 
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I don't seem to remember any noodling...
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

I love that song! Those 14 minutes are some of the most thrilling and chilling in my library. The intro part is pretty good, too.


Same here.  The noodling on Amaranth the Peddler is far more worrisome to me.
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I love that song! Those 14 minutes are some of the most thrilling and chilling in my library. The intro part is pretty good, too.
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