Pain of Salvation

The T wrote: CCVP wrote: are not American Idol and Oprah psychological tortures? Every time i see Idol my IQ falls gradually until I am able to enjoy 50cent. Oprah is not shown here, but we got a lot of shows like Oprah and Jerry Springer. Refuse to watch them on the sake of my critical sense.   mmm... suddenly you have make idiots out of a lot of not idiotic people... like relatives of mine...   You know? The first real thing we should learn to have peace is stop believing what we like or dislike, what we believe or not believe, what sh*t we watch on tv or don't, what music we hear or not, makes us BETTER PEOPLE..... when in fact it only makes us different... and it's not the low IQ people that watch Idol or hear 50 that really create wars, violence, and big bullsh*t Scarsick..... it's YOU. (pointed at everybody, including me sometimes)....

errrr , sorry, did not meat to sound superior. . . . I was just making a joke . . . . Jeez, you guys are so uptight . . .

At the very least, BE is intelligent if not pretentious in a good way. It really makes you think!

Finnforest wrote: God, I really need to hear Scarsick.  Hard for me to believe it could suck so much after seeing the "Be" show.

Avantgardehead wrote: The T wrote: Let's agree in one thing:  "Scarsick" is such a dissapointment that all it causes is non-musical discussions... as the music itself is weak and the lyrics the product of a resented mind... for that is what Gildenlow shows.... you can criticize things but when you sound so bitter like he does in that album, that is resentment... he sounds like a child... like a spoiled swedish brat who has the privilege to whine in public because he chose the path of creating music, which by the way is one of the less effective path to change the world.... (say what you want, good slogans have never changed anything).... As I said in my review, poor little Daniel hates America, hates rappers, hates this, hates that... it's a hate album, no better than any hate album in different genres... and the music is so generic... maybe it's what he intended after all: to show us the "mediocrity of america" by doing mediocre music.... But i  really don't think he went that far in his message... He just was so into biting his blanket and pounding his head against cushioned walls for his hate towards the US that he forgot completely how to create good progressive metal... Definitely. Sometimes I think this whole thing was just a joke album or a joke concept or something. Haven't you ever wanted to make something as painfully bad as possible before, like a poem or a song for your own amusement? Maybe this is some kind of weird social experiment given the new dichotomy of the PoS fanbase.... Maybe Daniel was bored and thought, "What if we introduce obnoxious nu-metal fans into our group? Wouldn't that be fun?!" And discussions like this pop-up because there's not really much to talk about regarding the music. "How about those 4 chords played in 4/4 for 10 minutes in Enter Rain?" "Eh..." Plus it seems like the majority of the rabid fans only like it for the lyrics and hatefulness.

stonebeard wrote:

this thread has found salvation
in a painful way

E-Dub wrote: Then it may behoove you to implement the emoticons (like in your response) so I know it was just lighthearted humor.  E

very well

The T wrote: Let's agree in one thing:  "Scarsick" is such a dissapointment that all it causes is non-musical discussions... as the music itself is weak and the lyrics the product of a resented mind... for that is what Gildenlow shows.... you can criticize things but when you sound so bitter like he does in that album, that is resentment... he sounds like a child... like a spoiled swedish brat who has the privilege to whine in public because he chose the path of creating music, which by the way is one of the less effective path to change the world.... (say what you want, good slogans have never changed anything).... As I said in my review, poor little Daniel hates America, hates rappers, hates this, hates that... it's a hate album, no better than any hate album in different genres... and the music is so generic... maybe it's what he intended after all: to show us the "mediocrity of america" by doing mediocre music.... But i  really don't think he went that far in his message... He just was so into biting his blanket and pounding his head against cushioned walls for his hate towards the US that he forgot completely how to create good progressive metal...

Definitely. Sometimes I think this whole thing was just a joke album or a joke concept or something. Haven't you ever wanted to make something as painfully bad as possible before, like a poem or a song for your own amusement?

Maybe this is some kind of weird social experiment given the new dichotomy of the PoS fanbase.... Maybe Daniel was bored and thought, "What if we introduce obnoxious nu-metal fans into our group? Wouldn't that be fun?!"

And discussions like this pop-up because there's not really much to talk about regarding the music. "How about those 4 chords played in 4/4 for 10 minutes in Enter Rain?" "Eh..." Plus it seems like the majority of the rabid fans only like it for the lyrics and hatefulness.


Edited by Avantgardehead - April 20 2008 at 15:55

CCVP wrote: E-Dub wrote: CCVP wrote: E-Dub wrote: Well, I'll take this answer for what it's worth. It may sound alright in theory, but implementing it is another thing. I just had to fly to and from Atlanta on business. I did find the security measures to be a huge pain; however, every little bit helps. I darn near missed my flight, though. Let's just sit tight and wait for the shoe to drop. And when I say 'shoe to drop' I mean an attack that makes 9/11 look like a tickle fight. This could be in this country or even YOUR country. When it does, then the world's eyes are going to look to the west. And sorry for the name calling (although "Junior" is pretty tame). I get pretty heated when I feel like this country is being railed upon. It's just not here on this forum. I read it constantly on a forum for my favorite band quite frequently. Understand my position. E Politics are a heathen subject. I was not offended by Junior (my father's middle name is Junior ), besides you are 40 something or 50 something . . . . About having terrorist attacks here in Brazil, i think that that is highly improbably. We dropped the armed diplomacy over a century ago when we won the Paraguay War and now we try to conduct our stuff with talking. Sometimes that is really frustrating (we are fighting the end of economical protectionism for over 2 decades , but we got some victories) but it don't generates to much heathen enemies. Damn, Israel is going to keep fighting the Arabs until forever because they took most the land using their army. . . (they bought a large part, but, you know, the Arabs were not willing to sell the rest) 50???!!! That's it....GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!! And I'M senile? I may have just turned 41, but still feel like a kid. Never lose that. Never say never. Never say never. E My grandfathers on both sides of the family are all above 80, my father's brothers and sisters are all above 50, just like he is. None of them are senile, as far as I know . . . Besides, you just said never . . . . . 4 times.

Are you trying to p**** me off again?


Moderator winces.
Enough now please.


Edited by Tony R - April 21 2008 at 06:51

CCVP wrote: E-Dub wrote: Well, I'll take this answer for what it's worth. It may sound alright in theory, but implementing it is another thing. I just had to fly to and from Atlanta on business. I did find the security measures to be a huge pain; however, every little bit helps. I darn near missed my flight, though. Let's just sit tight and wait for the shoe to drop. And when I say 'shoe to drop' I mean an attack that makes 9/11 look like a tickle fight. This could be in this country or even YOUR country. When it does, then the world's eyes are going to look to the west. And sorry for the name calling (although "Junior" is pretty tame). I get pretty heated when I feel like this country is being railed upon. It's just not here on this forum. I read it constantly on a forum for my favorite band quite frequently. Understand my position. E Politics are a heathen subject. I was not offended by Junior (my father's middle name is Junior ), besides you are 40 something or 50 something . . . . About having terrorist attacks here in Brazil, i think that that is highly improbably. We dropped the armed diplomacy over a century ago when we won the Paraguay War and now we try to conduct our stuff with talking. Sometimes that is really frustrating (we are fighting the end of economical protectionism for over 2 decades , but we got some victories) but it don't generates to much heathen enemies. Damn, Israel is going to keep fighting the Arabs until forever because they took most the land using their army. . . (they bought a large part, but, you know, the Arabs were not willing to sell the rest)

50???!!! That's it....GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!! And I'M senile?

I may have just turned 41, but still feel like a kid. Never lose that.

Never say never. Never say never.

E

E-Dub wrote: I need to listen to Entropia again. It's the least listened to out of all of my POS discs (and I have 'em all), but found it really heavy. Now, when I listen to The Perfect Element that's a whole 'nother story. I ping pong between that and Remedy Lane, but TPE wins out. E

Dont know if you guys realized that but, on that part "get used to pain, get used to pain" Daniel uses the same construction as on Pokemon's song "gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all". I like the album, but i cannot contain my laughs when i listen that part. i lol every time!