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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Hi friends,
my parents will spend holidays between Valencia and Granada...
...I gave them a list of prog andaluz gems...
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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Excuse me, Erik, quotation is not clear.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Thanks for your huge support to the Prog Andaluz, senor NoUnaCabezaDe Prog
I am not surprised that this Triana 2-CD/1-DVD compilation has only one review, you can better check out the interesting threads about lesser known and unknown progrock bands on The Forum than looking at the Prog Archives homepage.
I found this on the Internet:
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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I wonder why this great set had only one review, by Erik. I remember when I was in Spain in 2005 this compilation could be found everywhere, even in small shops on gasoline stations.
TRIANA — Sé De Un Lugar (2CD+DVD) Review by NotAProghead
The movie on DVD gives you a good possibility to see the band live and introduces you to TRIANA history. There are no English subtitles, but most things are understandable for non-Spanish speakers without translation. Up to date it is the only available, at least officially, TRIANA's video, don't miss your chance! Highly recommended to both fans and newcomers. |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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Erik, Medina Azahara "En Gira" stays on the shelf and waits for its turn to be watched properly.
About ARSENAL. I think sooner or later we need to suggest them for inclusion. There are lots of microscopic bands from Russia on PA, while one of the greatest still not here.
About Rock Andaluz. I added today two quite rare TRIANA albums "Triana Vol. 1. En Libertad" http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19139 and "Triana Vol. 2. Jesús de la Rosa. Canciones inéditas" http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19138.
Vol.1 is a set of songs without Jesús de la Rosa, just found it in mp3 only.
But Vol.2 is a good find for TRIANA fans.
Review (or reviews) will follow.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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You are right about Medina Azahara, just watch their live DVD entitled En Gira (live 2003), an interesting blend of melodic rock and Prog Andaluz with very tasteful keyboardwork, strong and expressive Spanish vocals and a good guitarplayer
![]() About Arsenal, I will have a look at that extensive Russian Prog History article in Background Magazine (I am still working for).
About Sabicas, I only own a live DVD with a flamenco company, I am more a fan of Paco Pena concerning the historical work.
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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Erik, MEDINA AZAHARA are many years in music business and I think if any of their new albums contains 2-3 good songs that's enough, they will stay in the band's live set. All bands have their peak, if it is reached all you have to do is keep the level of quality.
You lead me to the idea that I should suggest ARSENAL for inclusion on PA. I know the band's history, I own most of their records, the only problem is to write their short biography. There are so many things to mention, it's a hard job to choose the key points!
I looked what Sabiacs albums are available in local stores and found only "4 Original EPs" CD. Is it a good introduction?
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Senor NoUnaCarbezaDeProg, I just read your Medina Azahara review about the album Aixa on the homepage, indeed not very interesting.
I didn't know that Arsenal is not on PA, you Russian progheads have some work to do Yesterday evening I played the Sabicas album, what a mindblowing blend of flamenco, Prog Andaluz and rock ![]() Edited by erik neuteboom - July 29 2008 at 10:50 |
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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Thanks for recommendations and Spanish nickname
![]() BTW, I believe ARSENAL, as first and most important Russian jazz rock band, active from 1973 till now, should be in Archives. Don't know why I'm too lazy to prepare biography etc for suggestion.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Good story senor NoUnaCabezaDeProg
![]() I have seen Paco De Lucia two times with Al DiMeola and John McLaughlin and three times with his Paco De Lucia Sextet, I was blown away by his jaw-dropping technique and for sure that he influenced Vicente Amigo. I have also seen Paco Pena a few times, another flamenco guitar legend, he plays more traditional. My recommendations for you:
Juan Martin - Picasso Portraits
Sabicas - Rock Encounter With Joe Beck
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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erik, I also own this Vicente Amigo DVD (bought it after listening Medina Azahara songs with him). Strange, it did not mean much to me ... until I saw him with the band in concert.
It's a shame, the concert was poorly promoted, only about 300 of 1000 seats were occupied. But those who came I think will remember the show for a long time. A charismatic person, really. He does not speak much, he is seating all the show with his guitar, but there is some magic. You feel that playing is a great pleasure for him and this pleasure returns to the audience. His band also consists of great musicians. The sound was perfect, each, almost the most quiet, sound was heard clearly. No wonder people made an ovation in the end of the show.
This winter I also saw Paco De Lucia live. I'm not a musician, so I can't compare techniques, but I like Vicente Amigo concert more. Though not far from our seats (on Paco De Lucia concert) I saw Ivan Smirnov, one of the best Russian guitarists (last 10 years or so he plays acoustic guitar only, but in the 80-s he was a guitar player in ARSENAL, Russian top jazz rock band, where he played electric guitar perfectly), and he was absolutely happy with Paco De Lucia playing.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Muchas gracias senor NoUnaCabezaDeProg
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7966 |
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My humble contribution.
AZAHAR — Azahar
Review by NotAProghead
''Azahar'' is a tasteful, very energetic blend of symphonic rock, flamenco (mostly in the way of singing, Spanish guitar plays a lead role only in one song) and jazz with some Arabian touches here and there. First class musicians offer the listener great variety of moods and melodic finds. Ricardo Zappala's singing deserve special mention - Spanish in nature, sometimes gentle, sometimes aggressive, but always natural. The writing is also strong, ''Azahar'' instantly grabs your attention, but every time you listen to the album you can find new nuances. AZAHAR made a classic record, one of the best in the genre, it's a pity their career was so short. Highly recommended. MEDINA AZAHARA — Baladas Review by NotAProghead — First review of this album —
This complilation of songs from 1989 - 99 period represents well the sound of MEDINA AZAHARA. Despite the title most songs have real power and passion. Both strong (distinctive voice of Manuel Martinez, very good singer indeed, energetic performance, Arabian influences here and there) and weaker (the same verse-horus formula of all songs, lack of variety in rhythm section playing) parts of the band's music are reflected here. Standout tracks for me are ''La Guitarra'' and ''El Destino'' (both from .''..En Al-Hakim'', 1989, I believe their best studio album) with excellent flamenco guitar parts played by Vicente Amigo, one of the best guitarists in Spain. Many bands mixed rock and flamenco, but I dare to say this combination is perfect and unique in two mentioned songs. Solid compilation, very good starting point if you are unfamiliar with MEDINA AZAHARA. And ..., if rock is not your only passion, very good reason to check out solo works of Vicente Amigo - I remember his concert in Moscow, it was a fantastic event! |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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In the end Peru has discovered the Prog Andaluz
![]() TRIANA - El Patio
![]() ![]() The first impression is that the quality is there, but I feel they were still looking for their natural sound, if “Hijos del Agobio” blends perfectly the spirit of Andaluz music with Symphonic Prog without even being able to notice any patch, but in this case (and without being bad at all) the patches can be felt, but that’s something they solved with experience. “Abre la Puerta” begins with a Flamenco guitar, piano and Mellotron introduction which lead directly to a very dramatic passage of extreme beauty with Eduardo Rodriguez sharing his skills in the vein of Segovia. The vocals by Jesus de La Rosa are perfect for the music as always, but something is missing, the effect of the fusion of styles never gets completed, there’s always an evident preeminence of Symphonic or Flamenco without reaching the perfect blend in such a natural as in their second album. Still it’s a fantastic song. “Se de un Lugar” starts with the classical “Cante Hondo” (Deep Singing) of Jesus de la Rosa, soon followed by an exquisite acoustic guitar that backups him perfectly, and then the variation starts, guitars and keys add a special Symphonic flavor without ever leaving completely the Spanish - Moorish atmosphere, with a Moog that gives a special taste But when you believe everything will flow with normality and without any surprise, TRIANA hits us with all the heavy artillery, entering into Rock territory with some special effects that fades and resurrects in a some instants to allow the Flamenco guitar to come back again. From this point I believe they went a bit over the top, with radical changes that don’t fully convince me, somehow lacks a bit of coherence, as if they tried to make too many things in a short period of time. “Todo es de Color” is a short song in which guitar and voice blend perfectly, this is not Prog territory, we’re talking about pure Ethnic music with some effects, still is impressive because it works as an Andaluz interlude to prepare us for the next track. “Luminosa Mañana” starts very promising and at last I find a perfect fusion of styles, this time the Spanish atmosphere blends perfectly with some sort of Psychedelic organ riff which is extremely dramatic, this is what I expected of the band and not disappointed at all, “Diálogo” has a weird intro that mixes a couple of simple keyboard chords with some acoustic guitar, but the band goes “in crescendo” rising not only in volume but also adding vocals and more instruments as if they were preparing us for a huge explosion….And the explosion starts with the Moog but fades again and incredibly they start all over until the ecstasies reaches at last, it took them some time, but hey achieved the goal. “En el Lago” starts soft again with guitar and keyboards, almost instantly the drums and vocals join with a moody organ that creates a Psyche mood, but the arrangements lack of the coherence they only achieved in their next release, seems as they were not ready to create a full Prog – Ethnic creation, but it’s clear they were in the right path, because the final section is simply outstanding. TRIANA closes “El Patio” wit the FANTASTIC “Recuerdos de una Noche”, if it was only for this track, the album would be already worth to buy, the mixture of genres, styles, moods and atmospheres is perfect, this is what I wanted to listen all along the album but only received short doses until now. “La Piece de Resistance” Until this last track I was ready to give “El Patio” only three stars, but despite the minor flaws it’s obvious that we are before an excellent album and “Recuerdos de una Noche” is the delicious cherry over the cake, so 4 stars for this excellent album and the need to modify my “Hijos del Agobio” review to 5 stars because that’s the peak of the band without any doubt. Would be recommended to start with this album and then get Hijos del Agobio being that it's the natural way to listen a band that was towards their highest artistic, creative and emotional moment. Edited by erik neuteboom - July 21 2008 at 14:17 |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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A big hand for this guy who wrote a Prog Andaluz review on the homepage
![]() ZAGUÁN — Testigo Del Tiempo Review by erik neuteboom (erik neuteboom) Special Collaborator Symphonic Prog Expert
One of the trademarks of the Spanish progressive rock is its originality: in the past from bands like Ibio, Carmen, Atila, Itoiz and the flamenco inspired Prog Andaluz bands like Triana, Cai, Mezquita and Azahar and in the present from bands like Bijou, Unoma, Kotobel and Senogul. Zaguan is another interesting Spanish band, they are rooted in 1997 and started as a Triana cover band. If you listen to the vocals this is not a surprise, incredible how similar the singer sounds to the late Jesus De La Rosa who tragically died in a car accident in 1983. If I compare Zaguan their own compositions to early Triana (first four albums when they delivered genuine Prog Andaluz), I analyse that Zaguan sound less symphonic (short compositions and a small range of keyboards) and more folky because of the more omnipresent flamenco guitar. The 11 songs on this CD are a very melodic and tasteful progressive blend of rock, folk and symphonic featuring strong and expressive vocals (but not that typical wailing of the flamenco singers), some fiery and howling electric guitar, fluent Hammond organ solos and lots of exciting flamenco guitar runs. If you like Prog Andaluz, especially early Triana their captivating and compelling sound, Zaguan is worth to check out, WHAT A MOVING EXPERIENCE! My rating: 3,5 stars. |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Incredible, a Spanish Prog review on the homepage
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Thanks Bogdan Edited by erik neuteboom - July 04 2008 at 06:10 |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Hello Andrea.
I read about this album in an USA progrock mailorderservice (Syn-Phonic) and asked Hans to order the CD release from there, I don't think it is very rare (label: Long Hair), perhaps you can try [email protected] haha
![]() Anyway, it is a must for every Prog Andaluz aficionado so good luck with your quest!
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Very interesting story and album, Erik.
Do you own the lp format? Do you know if cd format is available?
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Thanks for your contribution Dick, are you familiar with the drummer Donald McDonald and keyboardplayer Warren Bernhardt? They are hailed as very good jazz musicians in The Sixties in the CD booklet! |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Joe Beck did a couple solo albums for Kudus label at the beginning of the 70's - Kudus was a label that went more for jazz funk, and included Groover Washington Jr amongst its signings for a short while. Kudus seemed to be tied in with CTI Records at least in UK (was that a Pye Records connection?)
Listed at Amazon.UK but at 20quid; here's the reverse:
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