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unclemeat69
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Posted: September 08 2007 at 12:37 |
check my name!
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Follow your bliss
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Dean
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Posted: June 29 2007 at 13:54 |
emdiar wrote:
blaughida wrote:
emdiar wrote:
I've met a couple of people who have claimed to be "vegetarian, but I do eat fish though."
By this logic I too am a vegetarian. I do eat mammals though.
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There are a number of reasons people call themselves "vegetarian, but I eat fish."
Historically, fish has not been considered meat in some cultures (for example, mixing milk and meat is forbidden under kosher laws, but fish is not considered meat), so there is a bit of a precedent for considering fish somehow separate from beef and turkey.
I know a lot of people who don't call themselves vegetarian, but they are weirded out by eating mammals and thus only eat fish and poultry. I actually started telling people I was vegetarian around age 9 or so, when I still ate fish and chicken (my mother never cooked any other meat), because it was so much easier than explaining that "no, I'm not vegetarian really, but I won't eat the bacon you're serving for breakfast, because I don't eat that." Now I don't eat chicken or fish, either, because I make my own food and don't have to eat anything I don't like.
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Fish aint vegetables last time I checked. The premise is therefore ridiculous. As for it being "easier" to claim vegetarianism than to explain your personal eating habits, I don't eat horse, because I'm British and we tend to regard eating horse as taboo, akin to cannibalism. Here in the Netherlands the Dutch have no such qualms, but I don't tell them I'm a vegetarian just to avoid the trouble of explaining my equine abstinence. |
in 12 century, monks thought Barnacle Geese hatched from barnacles (a type of shell fish) - and promptly delcared them to be fish, so they could eat them on Fridays. 
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emdiar
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Posted: June 29 2007 at 12:36 |
blaughida wrote:
emdiar wrote:
I've met a couple of people who have claimed to be "vegetarian, but I do eat fish though."
By this logic I too am a vegetarian. I do eat mammals though.
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There are a number of reasons people call themselves "vegetarian, but I eat fish."
Historically, fish has not been considered meat in some cultures (for example, mixing milk and meat is forbidden under kosher laws, but fish is not considered meat), so there is a bit of a precedent for considering fish somehow separate from beef and turkey.
I know a lot of people who don't call themselves vegetarian, but they are weirded out by eating mammals and thus only eat fish and poultry. I actually started telling people I was vegetarian around age 9 or so, when I still ate fish and chicken (my mother never cooked any other meat), because it was so much easier than explaining that "no, I'm not vegetarian really, but I won't eat the bacon you're serving for breakfast, because I don't eat that." Now I don't eat chicken or fish, either, because I make my own food and don't have to eat anything I don't like.
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Fish aint vegetables last time I checked. The premise is therefore ridiculous. As for it being "easier" to claim vegetarianism than to explain your personal eating habits, I don't eat horse, because I'm British and we tend to regard eating horse as taboo, akin to cannibalism. Here in the Netherlands the Dutch have no such qualms, but I don't tell them I'm a vegetarian just to avoid the trouble of explaining my equine abstinence. Likewise, I don't eat dog. Would this make me a vegetarian in Korea? No.
I respect your right to eat just what you like, but don't call it something it's not.
Edited by emdiar - June 29 2007 at 13:55
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Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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blaughida
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Posted: June 29 2007 at 10:10 |
emdiar wrote:
I've met a couple of people who have claimed to be "vegetarian, but I do eat fish though."
By this logic I too am a vegetarian. I do eat mammals though.
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There are a number of reasons people call themselves "vegetarian, but I eat fish." Historically, fish has not been considered meat in some cultures (for example, mixing milk and meat is forbidden under kosher laws, but fish is not considered meat), so there is a bit of a precedent for considering fish somehow separate from beef and turkey. I know a lot of people who don't call themselves vegetarian, but they are weirded out by eating mammals and thus only eat fish and poultry. I actually started telling people I was vegetarian around age 9 or so, when I still ate fish and chicken (my mother never cooked any other meat), because it was so much easier than explaining that "no, I'm not vegetarian really, but I won't eat the bacon you're serving for breakfast, because I don't eat that." Now I don't eat chicken or fish, either, because I make my own food and don't have to eat anything I don't like.
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Niki ( IO )
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Posted: June 29 2007 at 05:32 |
evilromero wrote:
Niki ( IO ) wrote:
I' m almost VEGAN...
It's a consequence of CRITICAL and RESPONSIBLE consume + my own ethical, political, social and esthetical values... | Say what? Joke post?
Heptade wrote:
Yes, I am vegetarian. That's how I keep my svelte figure. |
Being a vegetarian has little to do with your figure. Your body composition is directly related to your daily activities, calorie consumption and genetics. I know vegetarians who soft fat cream puffs. I eat at least 200 grams of protein a day (at least 100 grams from meat) and I am cut to the bone. Show me a vegetarian bodybuilder and maybe I'll reconsider this trendy lifestyle. |
NO JOKE
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Niki ( IO )
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Posted: June 29 2007 at 05:29 |
NO JOKE...
Edited by Niki ( IO ) - June 29 2007 at 05:32
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 19:34 |
I don't get a lot of the morality questions. No other animal that eats meat doesn't do so because they might hurt the feelings of the creature they're eating. "Humans eat calves." So do lions, tigers, and bears Oh My! In fact, they TARGET the children when there isn't a sick animal to be found. I don't believe in killing for sport because I don't see why an aminal has to die just so some guy can feel like a man, but I have no qualms with digging into a delicious steak.
If you're a vegetarian, fine. Good for you, as a matter of fact. However, don't try an convert the rest of us. Note that I am not singling out anyone here because, to my knowledge, none of the vegetarians on PA is trying to convert "the rest of us."
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emdiar
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 16:06 |
I have two friends who are millitant Kevin Keegans. They won't sit on a leather chair. (I'm serious!)
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Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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emdiar
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 16:03 |
I've met a couple of people who have claimed to be "vegetarian, but I do eat fish though."
By this logic I too am a vegetarian. I do eat mammals though.
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Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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Dean
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 04:05 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Either way, it doesn't harm the cow. There isn't really any moral reason why you shouldn't drink the milk.
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That depends upon your morality. A calf was taken from its mother so humans could have the milk.
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Heptade
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 23:10 |
These let's-argue-about-each others'-lifestyles threads get so dumb, you can't even throw in a little levity without some guy dissecting it.
Chomp away, meat eaters, I don't give a rat's ass.
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The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning
And all the rest is just bullsh*t
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cuncuna
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 23:03 |
This is crap. If your stomach is meant to digest it, you are supposed to eat it. I don't see any tigers fighting against their feeding needs. That's enough for me.
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ĦBeware of the Bee!
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 21:12 |
evilromero wrote:
Show me a vegetarian bodybuilder and maybe I'll reconsider this trendy lifestyle. |
You could do it, but you'd have to pound protein shakes like no other. That's basically all you need that a vegetarian wouldn't have.
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markosherrera
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 21:12 |
This is a man vegetarian ,he only drink milk,and eat beans ..all 100% natural without preservatives,colorants or artificial flavors...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmA4nypfEvs
Edited by markosherrera - June 27 2007 at 21:17
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 21:03 |
Either way, it doesn't harm the cow. There isn't really any moral reason why you shouldn't drink the milk.
Edited by rileydog22 - June 27 2007 at 21:04
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Dean
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 17:58 |
1800iareyay wrote:
I don't understand the vegan apporach. No diary? If cow isn't milked she gets sick. |
Erm, no they don't, that is a falacy - if a cow isn't milked it dries up. It is a natural defence after loosing a calf.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 16:44 |
I don't understand the vegan apporach. No diary? If cow isn't milked she gets sick.
I knew a vegan who got all uptight that I eat meat and asked if I would shoot a cow for the burger I was eating. I said "Of course not, I'd beat it with a bat because it would tenderize the meat and save me some time down the road." I though it was funny, but he didn't laugh.
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evilromero
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 14:08 |
Niki ( IO ) wrote:
I' m almost VEGAN...
It's a consequence of CRITICAL and RESPONSIBLE consume + my own ethical, political, social and esthetical values... |
Say what? Joke post?
Heptade wrote:
Yes, I am vegetarian. That's how I keep my svelte figure. |
Being a vegetarian has little to do with your figure. Your body composition is directly related to your daily activities, calorie consumption and genetics. I know vegetarians who soft fat cream puffs. I eat at least 200 grams of protein a day (at least 100 grams from meat) and I am cut to the bone. Show me a vegetarian bodybuilder and maybe I'll reconsider this trendy lifestyle.
Edited by evilromero - June 27 2007 at 14:12
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Niki ( IO )
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 06:43 |
I' m almost VEGAN...
It's a consequence of CRITICAL and RESPONSIBLE consume + my own ethical, political, social and esthetical values...
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limeyrob
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Posted: June 23 2007 at 17:06 |
I am not vegetarian but believe in everything in moderation. We humans are omnivores and have developed to to use the nutrients in meat. Granted we eat too much of it these days due to its easy availability.
Mind you I do get a bit narked about veggies. If I invite a veggie to a meal I either have to make a special meal for them or go veggie myself. If you go to a veggie for a meal you normally have to eat what they do.
I know a few veggies who drink milk (usually cows). Obviously casting a blind eye to the fact that for a cow to produce milk it has to have a calf - which ends up as veal.
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