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tardis
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:54 |
Geck0 wrote:
Living endlessly, being perpetually bored, hearing Abba's "Waterloo" for the 20,484883rd time? Watching as the earth gets overcrowded and you won't be able to move... of course, unless you mean immortality in heaven itself... then you get to meet long dead people... you'll end up meeting people you have met before and hated. You will have to endlessly live your life with them, with former bosses, former girlfriends. You also will not age... I am sorry, but it is an awful concept.
Immortality is scarier than dying, yet dying is also scary.
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Who says we will have a concept of boredom, or even have the same bodies? We know nothing about immortality after death, and in what fashion we would experience it. There's no way we would know that we would end up living on the earth, or even exist in the same universe.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:52 |
After Death is Post Death.
Or is it?
Death is after life.
So its Post Life?
Which is the same as Death! ![Big%20smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Maybe the question should more logically be "Whats After Life"?
Answer...Death.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:21 |
Living endlessly, being perpetually bored, hearing Abba's "Waterloo" for the 20,484883rd time? Watching as the earth gets overcrowded and you won't be able to move... of course, unless you mean immortality in heaven itself... then you get to meet long dead people... you'll end up meeting people you have met before and hated. You will have to endlessly live your life with them, with former bosses, former girlfriends. You also will not age... I am sorry, but it is an awful concept.
Immortality is scarier than dying, yet dying is also scary.
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tardis
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:13 |
Geck0 wrote:
We live and die and... yet... nothing, nothing at all. That's it.
Immortality (and thus Heaven) is scarier than mortality and death.
Peter Hammill knows it too.
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The concept of immortality sounds wonderful to me.
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asimplemistake
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 16:37 |
I believe in heaven/hell, but I can't be certain of this, so I voted "wouldn't know"
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Gnome
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 15 2007 at 09:00 |
Not if you are cremated. That's what I want done, and then my ashes spread along the shores of Lake Ontario where I frequent for relaxation. The power of water!
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An old fart
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Posted: June 14 2007 at 22:59 |
The obvious answer is "how could I know". That's the rational part of me talking.
However, the spiritual part of me is hoping that we continue living in one way or another, because otherwise it wouldn't make any difference how we treat other people, ourselves, animals and environment.
Therefore I wish that we all will face some kind of a Great Court where we get what we deserve, which is a very scary thought too, because neither of us who die as an adult are innocent. On the other hand, I have always thought that no one deserves to be cast down to hell either. But I want to believe in Justice.
Two major things have happened in my life quite recently. My grandmother died late last year and a few weeks ago I became a father for the first time in my life. Somehow I connected these two things in my mind in an intuitive way and I started to think that perhaps dying is a bit like being born: you enter the unknown, you think that something is coming to an end (I believe that it's shocking for a baby to born), but in fact it's only a new beginning. This opens an interesting thought that maybe life/eternity is a neverending cycle of being born and dying.
But, once again, how could I know?
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Thadeus
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Posted: June 14 2007 at 21:01 |
I believe in Heaven/Hell.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 14 2007 at 20:20 |
9 Feet Underground and Halfway Between Heaven and Earth... are classic Richard Sinclair!
But yes, we die and that's it...
However... timor mortis conturbat me.
It does.
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Dean
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Posted: June 14 2007 at 19:34 |
rileydog22 wrote:
You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground.
There is no afterlife. There is no reincarnation.
It scares the sh*t out of me.
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...and the last place you want to be when that happens is in a confined space. ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Leningrad
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Posted: June 14 2007 at 19:24 |
rileydog22 wrote:
You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground.
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How about nine, so we have an excuse to blast Caravan?
(But to be on topic, probably Heaven/Hell in my opinion, although I would love coming back as an eagle or other bird.)
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 14 2007 at 19:15 |
You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground.
There is no afterlife. There is no reincarnation.
It scares the sh*t out of me.
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Samir
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Posted: June 13 2007 at 11:32 |
This is a question that always hits me, i believe we go nowhere, it is the end, nothing more.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 13 2007 at 10:46 |
Zitro wrote:
What if those near-death experiences where you see heaven/hell is the work of your unconscious mind and your imagination of either heaven or hell, and where your mind itself things you would go?
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I firmly believe that the mind fabricates those visions of heaven or hell in near death experiences. Because brain activity may not be detected, that's all it is...undetected.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 12 2007 at 18:13 |
We live and die and... yet... nothing, nothing at all. That's it. Immortality (and thus Heaven) is scarier than mortality and death. Peter Hammill knows it too. Still LifeCitadel reverberates to a thousand voices, now dumb: what have we become? What have we chosen to be? Now, all history is reduced to the syllables of our name - nothing can ever be the same now the Immortals are here. At the time, it seemed a reasonable course to harness all the force of life without the threat of death, but soon we found that boredom and inertia are not negative, but all the law we know and dead are Will and words like survival. Arrival at immunity from all age, all fear and all end.... Why do I pretend? Our essence is distilled and all familiar taste is now drained and though purity is maintained it leaves us sterile, living through the millions of years, a laugh as close as any tear.... Living, if you claim that all that entails is breathing, eating, defecating, screwing, drinking, spewing, sleeping, sinking ever down and down and ultimately passing away time which no longer has any meaning. Take away the threat of death and all you're left with is a round of make-believe; marshal every sullen breath and though you're ultimately bored by endless ecstasy that's still the ring by which you hope to be engaged to marry the girl who will give you forever - that's crazy, and plainly it simply is not enough. What is the dullest and bluntest of pains, such that my eyes never close without feeling it there? What abject despair demands an end to all things of infinity? If we have gained, how do we now meet the cost? What have we bargained, and what have we lost? What have we relinquished, never even knowing it was there? What chance now of holding fast the line, defying death and time when everything we had is gone? Everything we laboured for and favoured more than earthly things reveals the hollow ring of false hope and of false deliverance. But now the nuptial bed is made, the dowry has been paid; the toothless, haggard features of Eternity now welcome me between the sheets to couple with her withered body - my wife. Hers forever, hers forever, hers forever in still life.
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Dean
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Posted: June 12 2007 at 17:59 |
I think Doom came after Death, but it may have been Scandinavian Thrash.
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Zitro
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Posted: June 12 2007 at 17:46 |
What if those near-death experiences where you see heaven/hell is the work of your unconscious mind and your imagination of either heaven or hell, and where your mind itself things you would go?
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bhikkhu
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Posted: June 12 2007 at 17:44 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
I am a believer that energy is neither created nor destroyed, it only changes form. I chose "we join the spirit world" and think of the spirit world more as an energy reserve.
I have some belief in reincaration, but like most things, if it can't be proven, the reason usually means that it is fiction to begin with.
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Buddhism teaches that death is just another part of life. I think that ties in with what you are saying. I don't think our "soul" gets transferred, but we do go on to something else. The matter itself goes back to the whole, and whatever effect we've had will continue to be felt.
I do believe in reincarnation, but not as a physical rebirth. I think it happens within one physical lifetime. I am a completely different person than I was five years ago.
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The T
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Posted: June 12 2007 at 16:00 |
Man Erg wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
We shall return as zombies, vampires or shoes.
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I choose the vampire part... I've always been a fan of The Count, and then again, returning with better seducing powers than I own as a living person wouldn't hurt... ![Big%20smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) ....Zombies are too ugly and I don'rt think they could attract any woman (unless she's a zombie, too, which makes her unatractive); besudes that, having to eat human flesh is not healthy, I'm sure, specially here where everybody eats fast food.... ![Big%20smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) ... And about the shoe, it depends.... A shoe for females could be OK, but what if you retunr as a sports-shoe, or even worse, a soccer-shoe? Now if we return as clothing, I'd really prefer something else... ![Tongue](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
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