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cuncuna
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 17:01 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
I am pretty tired of these threads being hijacked,and do not feel so indulgent anymore.I think has gone far enough. |
¿What do you mean by "hijacked"?. I saw a smilar comment on another thread (wich was also closed).
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 16:29 |
I am going to re-open this because of the very courteous request I received from the topic creator to do so.Let's try to keep things on track please.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 14:24 |
I am pretty tired of these threads being hijacked,and do not feel so indulgent anymore.I think has gone far enough.
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yargh
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 14:21 |
"Exposure certainly helps the sales but if all that exposure is due to free downloads, why would someone pay for the albums when they can get it for free? Certainly the band would be well known but with no one buying albums the band would have to stop making music since they couldn't make ends meet."
Because the exposure is larger, more people will buy the albums, even if there is a percentage who would not. Funny how radio stations and blank cassette tapes did not hurt the music industry one iota. It's a shame that some artists are so short-sighted and greedy.
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progismylife
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 14:17 |
Exposure certainly helps the sales but if all that exposure is due to free downloads, why would someone pay for the albums when they can get it for free? Certainly the band would be well known but with no one buying albums the band would have to stop making music since they couldn't make ends meet
And seriously isn't this thread about joining th buy music legally cause?
Since it's been hijacked twice I think an admin should close it since some people feel it is necessary to do something which the website specifically wants you not to do...sheesh
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 14:14 |
darqdean wrote:
Out of interest, how many artist permit 100% free download of their entire catalogue?
I was just wondering exactly how many Artists have voluntarily entered into the new era. |
The prog metal band Mindflow have released two albums and you can download both of them in their entirety at their website.
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yargh
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:58 |
If you can't figure out that exposure leads to greater sales, I can't really help you.
But whatever -- I do what I want and will not be stopped. If I hear something that I like, I eventually buy it. If it doesn't really stick with me, I don't. Free downloads help the consumer, and as I'm sure you're aware, the customer is always right.
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Wilcey
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:51 |
yeah, you know if musicians like give stuff away and get really famous, you know the mortgage company will say, "that's ok, you're famous, you don't need to pay"...... which'll be good cos we'll be SO busy answering the door to all butcher, baker, greengrocer etc who'll be delivering free food in honour of our fame that we wouldn't have time to pay them anyway!
What business school did you drop out of?
Sheeesh....... musicians (like the butcher, baker and candlestick maker) need and deserve to be paid for their product. (It's kind of how they fund the next product)
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progismylife
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:30 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
yargh wrote:
You'd not be getting paid by me in any case. I've spent thousands on CDs over the years, but no artist has seen a penny of my money in at least 5 years. I buy everything used.
In any event, artists simply need to get used to the fact that people are going to get their stuff, for free, pretty much whenever they want. And this is a GOOD thing for all interested parties. It will lead to greater and greater sales and concert attendances. |
Does anyone else see the contradiction here?
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Just barely.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:18 |
yargh wrote:
You'd not be getting paid by me in any case. I've spent thousands on CDs over the years, but no artist has seen a penny of my money in at least 5 years. I buy everything used.
In any event, artists simply need to get used to the fact that people are going to get their stuff, for free, pretty much whenever they want. And this is a GOOD thing for all interested parties. It will lead to greater and greater sales and concert attendances. |
Does anyone else see the contradiction here?
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:14 |
^Please read my earlier response to a similar comment.
There are good and hurtful ways of obtaining music for free.
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yargh
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:11 |
"I don't see how not paying artists is a good thing - if you don't pay them, they can't afford to go on tour."
It's about exposure. The more you give away, the more you will sell.
Edited by yargh - May 17 2007 at 13:15
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:06 |
I don't see how not paying artists is a good thing - if you don't pay them, they can't afford to go on tour.
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Tony R
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:03 |
yargh wrote:
"ok...... we are not being dragged kicking anywhere. We offer plenty of free downloads in a variety of places, to take yet more is disrespectful, rude and damaging.......and lets face it a tad on the greedy side. We ask fair payment for fair goods. It's not unreasonable."
You'd not be getting paid by me in any case. I've spent thousands on CDs over the years, but no artist has seen a penny of my money in at least 5 years. I buy everything used.
In any event, artists simply need to get used to the fact that people are going to get their stuff, for free, pretty much whenever they want. And this is a GOOD thing for all interested parties. It will lead to greater and greater sales and concert attendances. |
back after 13 months away....
Edited by Tony R - May 17 2007 at 13:08
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yargh
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 12:42 |
"ok...... we are not being dragged kicking anywhere. We offer plenty of free downloads in a variety of places, to take yet more is disrespectful, rude and damaging.......and lets face it a tad on the greedy side. We ask fair payment for fair goods. It's not unreasonable."
You'd not be getting paid by me in any case. I've spent thousands on CDs over the years, but no artist has seen a penny of my money in at least 5 years. I buy everything used.
In any event, artists simply need to get used to the fact that people are going to get their stuff, for free, pretty much whenever they want. And this is a GOOD thing for all interested parties. It will lead to greater and greater sales and concert attendances.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 12:41 |
yargh wrote:
I'd rather not make a distinction. If artists have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the new era, so be it. I heartily encourage everyone and anyone to download whatever they want -- legally or illegally -- and then purchase the album if you deem what you have heard to be purchase-worthy.
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You like being dragged kicking and screaming everywhere?
Now that's a good idea
So, if you want to find out if you really like a particular stereo, you'd rather steal it first and find out if you like the sound of it before you buy it?
I'm sorry, but in most countries, that's a crime.
What if I wanted to find out if I liked something you owned before I bought it, so came round your house and stole it?
Would you be happy with that?
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Wilcey
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 12:29 |
yargh wrote:
"Please differentiate between FREE as in legally free and STOLEN, as in illegally free - it's not a hard distinction to make - and the principle's the same, except that with legally free downloads, the artist has chosen to have that greater audience."
I'd rather not make a distinction. If artists have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the new era, so be it. I heartily encourage everyone and anyone to download whatever they want -- legally or illegally -- and then purchase the album if you deem what you have heard to be purchase-worthy.
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ok...... we are not being dragged kicking anywhere. We offer plenty of free downloads in a variety of places, to take yet more is disrespectful, rude and damaging.......and lets face it a tad on the greedy side.
We ask fair payment for fair goods. It's not unreasonable.
NutterAlert wrote:
Sting, who is currently on tour, books a separate hotel suite each night of the tour just for his lute! |
Hotel suite???
I always thought that Stingo was a smug git!
A tour isn't a tour unless you get to breathe the fragrant air of the tour bus!
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Dean
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 11:30 |
Out of interest, how many artist permit 100% free download of their entire catalogue?
I was just wondering exactly how many Artists have voluntarily entered into the new era.
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What?
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yargh
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 10:53 |
"Please differentiate between FREE as in legally free and STOLEN, as in illegally free - it's not a hard distinction to make - and the principle's the same, except that with legally free downloads, the artist has chosen to have that greater audience."
I'd rather not make a distinction. If artists have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the new era, so be it. I heartily encourage everyone and anyone to download whatever they want -- legally or illegally -- and then purchase the album if you deem what you have heard to be purchase-worthy.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 10:40 |
yargh wrote:
I'm sorry, but the RIAA and its draconian ways simply must be stopped. If this means downloading and selling albums illegally, I'm all for it.
Free downloads provide an artist with a much greater audience. People that like the music will still buy it. |
Please differentiate between FREE as in legally free and STOLEN, as in illegally free - it's not a hard distinction to make - and the principle's the same, except that with legally free downloads, the artist has chosen to have that greater audience.
If the artist has not chosen that route, please respect that decision.
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