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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2007 at 06:49
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

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rare coming together of people who share a musical vision and are able to add to that vision in a way irreplacable by another.


this is where we disagree... it was Roger's vision and only his... concepts such as Animals and The Wall were 99% his.. i'll admit though that PF's sound wouldn't be the same if it hadn't been the rest musicians, they wouldn't have sounded the same but i don't think it would have made that much of a difference...



Ohh... big difference. One person's presence, contributions, their very being, makes a huge (though oft unnoticed) difference. If all three of the other members had been different individuals, we might not even be having this discussion.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2007 at 06:41
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

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rare coming together of people who share a musical vision and are able to add to that vision in a way irreplacable by another.


this is where we disagree... it was Roger's vision and only his... concepts such as Animals and The Wall were 99% his.. i'll admit though that PF's sound wouldn't be the same if it hadn't been the rest musicians, they wouldn't have sounded the same but i don't think it would have made that much of a difference...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2007 at 06:15
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I can't let this go on any further.  Waters was Pink Floyd.  Gilmour admitted as much in the Mason book when he said that Roger was the one who stayed all night, did the writing on the fly, got the job done, while he (Dave) and the others went home nice and early for a hot dinner and foot massage.  David is a talented guitarist and vocalist who gave great gifts to the sound, but make no mistake, Roger is the reason that the 70s Floyd albums are great, while the Gilmour "Floyd" albums are nice pop music schlock.  There is NO debate here.  Ole Rog was the man, while the boys played their parts as rock stars.  You take Waters out of the 70s albums and you'd have another 5 or so "Momentary Lapses" on your hands.  What a nightmare that would be.  

well said... its just that musical genius comes with the price of gigantic ego and possible insanity (fear not the word, i do believe that Roger from 1977 till 1983 was walking on thin ice, mentally..) and that resulted to the breaking of the band which prompted the fans to accuse Roger of this.. quite reasonably actually but noone can deny the fact that he was indeed Pink Floyd...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2007 at 06:10
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Though that may be largely true, it's the same as saying John Lennon was the Beatles or Pete Townsend was the Who; though debatably accurate it ignores others' contributions that made the music distincly what it was.. and that's what a great band really is, that rare coming together of people who share a musical vision and are able to add to that vision in a way irreplacable by another.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2007 at 06:02
I can't let this go on any further.  Waters was Pink Floyd.  Gilmour admitted as much in the Mason book when he said that Roger was the one who stayed all night, did the writing on the fly, got the job done, while he (Dave) and the others went home nice and early for a hot dinner and foot massage.  David is a talented guitarist and vocalist who gave great gifts to the sound, but make no mistake, Roger is the reason that the 70s Floyd albums are great, while the Gilmour "Floyd" albums are nice pop music schlock.  There is NO debate here.  Ole Rog was the man, while the boys played their parts as rock stars.  You take Waters out of the 70s albums and you'd have another 5 or so "Momentary Lapses" on your hands.  What a nightmare that would be.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2007 at 03:53
Not a Roger Waters keeps the band OR Syd doesn't go crazy question. No, a question that I've never heard voiced before, and as a result, one which you probably won't find all that interesting and the thread shall sink...I'm really selling this, aren't I?
 
I read in...some kind of an interview or something that good ole Rog wanted Dark Side to be really dry, whereas Dave wanted it swampy. Dave got his wish, and Roger didn't get to make a "dry-art" album until Animals. Wish was cold, to be sure, but I think that Animals is how Roger wanted Dark Side.
 
NOW, what if he'd gotten said wish (not Wish). What if Dark Side was dry, like Animals, the next album was dry, all throughout the seventies? I actually sort of prefer the drier albums by Pink Floyd, so I think it would have been good.
 
Unless, of course, he'd gone off the deep end and made the Final Cut, killing the band, noise, etc. I haven't really heard the album, but I have heard of it (both from others and sound clips), so I'll play that it's not fantastic. But was that the natural direction, or the curse of 80's prog?
 
Would Roger taking dictatorial control have been better for the band's output? Or would it have killed it sooner? Would Wish even have been created? Should this be a poll? Who's better, Pink Floyd or the Moody Blues? I'm listening...
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