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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: March 18 2007 at 19:08 |
 Peter Rideout wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
I see Mr. Rideout is deafinitely back to posting alot. |
 I have to see that the forum doesn't again start to consume my life, though, at the expense of sleep, family, work, food and dirty dishes!
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I have had this problem in the past so I know what you are talking about.
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 15:18 |
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 15:01 |
The Miracle wrote:
I see Mr. Rideout is deafinitely back to posting alot.
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Yes -- deafeningly!  I have to see that the forum doesn't again start to consume my life, though, at the expense of sleep, family, work, food and dirty dishes! Once more, for the record, my latest break was mainly to assert control over myself, and how I choose to spend my time (I understand that our time on earth is finite). I was too wrapped up in this forum, and strangers' opinions of me (often not good, and often due to misunderstandings), before. (I will therefore try to be lighter in tone, overall, and post less.)  And I WON'T make fun of metal and its fans -- promise! Life is too short and often rife with pain, anyway -- who needs enemies? It's all just music!
So I'm here for friendship, laughs, good music and good times!
On that note -- gotta go!
Edited by Peter Rideout - March 18 2007 at 15:01
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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The Miracle
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:36 |
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I see Mr. Rideout is deafinitely back to posting alot.
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:10 |
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According to Strunk and White, they should be separate.
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progadicto
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:09 |
This poll remebers me a character of one of the Austin Powers movies...
ALOTTA VAGINA
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... E N E L B U N K E R...
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Philéas
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:09 |
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"It bloody well is when I use it!"
It has happened. Sometimes you miss the spacebar, you know.
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progismylife
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 13:27 |
Peter the third definition of gay is in some dictionaries. Some of my spelling errors are because I have dyslexic typing at times. But "alot" isn't a word! I've telling that to people since I was 9! And telling them they "beat me" not "won me" when playing a game during recess. I'm not a slave! 
And yes I am an adolescent who gets ticked off at misspellings!
Especially my own!
Edited by progismylife - March 18 2007 at 13:28
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 13:23 |
In any case, it is not those who are learning the subject (the students) that decide what the "rulz" of that subject will be.
"No, prof, I'm gonna call the tibia the fibula. Yew gotta problem wit dat?"
Loose spelling sinx ships!
When I said "torpedo the Hood," I meant the Bismarck, you idiot! Now look what you've done! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 13:10 |
tuxon wrote:
deducting marks on spelling should only occur when the test is about spelling.
So if you teach English grammar deducting marks is good, but when you teach english literature one must realise that many writers use non-excisting words and create new language with their writing. Spelling rules are not absolute. |
I know about the authors (Shakespeare gave us many words -- he was a master of written language), but a person in high school or college is not Shakespeare. There are standards, and they exist for a reason: to facilitate communication and understanding.
Like it or not, for many, if not most people, poor spelling, etc, creates a negative impression of the writer and the ideas. Imagine two competing advertisements: one correct, the other full of errors. Which company's product would you be most likely to buy? Why?
When I start to read a review here that's full of spelling, grammar and punctuation errors, I quickly stop reading, as the very poor writing and lack of attention to detail makes me doubt the amount of thought that went into the opinions expressed. If a reviewer can't even be bothered to use a spell checker, why should I bother to read his incoherent rambling, and try to guess what his non words mean? )
An analogy: Picasso knew the "rules" of perspective and realistic painting, and mastered them before he broke them. When he puts two eyes on the same side of the face it's art, and goes in a gallery. When a three year old does it, it's just cute, and goes on the refrigerator.
(Imagine covering a song, but inserting wrong notes and lyrics here and there.)
It is common, accepted practice in education to expect standard spelling in all submitted writing -- not just in spelling tests. If I let the error go uncorrected 95% of the time, how would students ever be expected to learn the correct spelling?
Other academic subjects have standards, too -- you cannot substitute one number for another in math, or make up your own numerical symbols, or, in chemistry, change atomic numbers, call a neutron a proton, or a newton. Imagine medical school: "Intern, remove the patient's left whatsit. Oh, you know what I mean!"
Anyway, it's just a silly joking POLE -- no offense ment!
BTW, Tux, I meant to include the option "No, but it will be a word in 20 - 30 years" to acknowledge that I am aware that language changes over time. See "gay":
1950s: 'gay' = "happy, merry"
1970s: "gay" = 'homosexual"
Today: "gay" = "stupid, lame"
The second meaning is now in the dictionary. the third, regrettably, one day will likely be as well. 
Edited by Peter Rideout - March 18 2007 at 13:52
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:45 |
laplace wrote:
that's the sort of approach that leads to us having words that insult the intelligence in official dictionaries.
When we are judged by literary space aliens I don't want to be part of the culture that embraced the word babydaddy
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What the hell is a "babydaddy"?
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laplace
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:41 |
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that's the sort of approach that leads to us having words that insult the intelligence in official dictionaries.
When we are judged by literary space aliens I don't want to be part of the culture that embraced the word babydaddy
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:40 |
tuxon wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
tuxon wrote:
deducting marks on spelling should only occur when the test is about spelling.
So if you teach English grammar deducting marks is good, but when you teach english literature one must realise that many writers use non-excisting words and create new language with their writing. Spelling rules are not absolute. |
I disagree.Keeping standards of good spelling is very important.
You anarchist! |
Who decides what is good spelling, language changes over time, and it should, if alanguage doesn't change any more, it only means that it's a dead language. |
Come on, we all no good spelling from bad. And a language can change anyway, without changing the spelling. Things are different now Tux. We got books.
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tuxon
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:38 |
Snow Dog wrote:
tuxon wrote:
deducting marks on spelling should only occur when the test is about spelling.
So if you teach English grammar deducting marks is good, but when you teach english literature one must realise that many writers use non-excisting words and create new language with their writing. Spelling rules are not absolute. |
I disagree.Keeping standards of good spelling is very important.
You anarchist! |
Who decides what is good spelling, language changes over time, and it should, if alanguage doesn't change any more, it only means that it's a dead language.
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:33 |
tuxon wrote:
deducting marks on spelling should only occur when the test is about spelling.
So if you teach English grammar deducting marks is good, but when you teach english literature one must realise that many writers use non-excisting words and create new language with their writing. Spelling rules are not absolute. |
I disagree.Keeping standards of good spelling is very important.
You anarchist!
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tuxon
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:31 |
deducting marks on spelling should only occur when the test is about spelling.
So if you teach English grammar deducting marks is good, but when you teach english literature one must realise that many writers use non-excisting words and create new language with their writing. Spelling rules are not absolute.
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:31 |
Drive thru
sox
nite
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boyz
gurlz
fo shizzle
prog
Edited by Peter Rideout - March 18 2007 at 12:31
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:30 |
Valanche! Valanche! Run its a valanche!
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:28 |
Snow Dog wrote:
How about adroit? |
Eh? Is that a brand of mellotron? 
abash:
astute:
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:27 |
It must be the spring thats doing it.
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