1973

Reed Lover wrote:

It's called personal opinion Mini-Me!

Yeh i know what it is reed lover!

Whats your view then?

ELP is life

Swinton MCR wrote:

As for ELP V Genesis - I've just re-listened to Tarkus and Trilogy...

Tarkus track is good in parts and AquaTarkus is V. Good - Side TWO IS COMPLETE PANTS !

Trilogy has two good tracks in Trilogy and The Endless Enigma and a so-so track in Abaddons Bolero,,,The rest is WARCH!

Compare with Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot (Same two years) - fookin hell - No comparisson - Every track (except "For absent friends") is better than the best offering on the two ELP albums, The ELP offerings are VERY VERY weak by comparisson !!!

I totally disagree with the above statement.

So your saying the ''Musical box'' & ''harold the barrel'' from NC is a better track than say ''Infinite space'' from 'Tarkus'??? i think not.

And how the hell can you not like ''Hoedown'' & '' Living sin'' from Trilogy & love the very poor(filler track) ''More fool me'' from the later 'SEBTP'..???

'Foxtrot' is consistant being very good.

ELP is life

Ahh, but here you are discussing how well he can play. Something that I am not discussing. Sure he can do a lot, and I'm sure he's good at it, just like Phil is.

Why don't they use it in their songs then? THAT is my concern. They can play, but the basslines on Genesis' work are still empty and sleepinducing, even when I play it. i will listen to RtS when I get that Lamb cd back onder my fingers. I hope it will be as you say.

I'm not arguing about what is better and what people like. I'm arguing about how it should be judged. You say Art Tatum is superior. Then he is better, and should be rated as BEST pianist.

Ahh, I see what I have done. I have mistakenly took this poll for a BEST poll. My excuses  

I still wonder why people like less superior music better anyway. Isn't it better and thus more to listen to and thus more enjoyment? That's how I experience it. I know this not to be the case with everyone, but I wonder

Please; you mean it sounds 10 times better to you. I like Squire's style too - but it wouldn't work with Genesis music - it would be entirely inappropriate!

-No, Phil does NOT drum intricately here, I've not only have me decide that, but laid that problem before a few people, all far from unknown in music. Listen to his work on Brand X to know the difference.

*Sigh* Yes it IS intricate. This could get cyclic, since you don't qualify your opinion. 

The work on Brand X suits what he is doing there. The work on SEBTP is sublime, focussed and understated - on purpose and out of necessity for the music. The intricacies are all there.

-Yes, the keyboards and guitars are nice, but that just doesn't cut it. They still make the song feel empty by not having a solid backing, which was my original point.

The backing is more than solid enough - it contains space - something which both Yes and ELP could have learned lessons in. It is a hard technique to hold back - it is all too easy to just continually let rip. It certainly "cuts it" for me.

Again, in general, I feel your need to put me down as an unknowing person, as you immediately take it I search for  'blunt in-your-facedness'. I wonder why this must be so? I have not even addressed Peter's voice...Maybe you do have a feel of a higher position because you are learned? (this is not an attack but I simply WONDER why you do make it seem so)

You have stated many times - here included, when you talk about the intricacies of Squire - that you have a preference for complex music, and you frequently put down music that seems simple to you - I was certainly not trying to put you down, or suggest that you might be an unknowing person, but I do feel you lack a degree of understanding because of what you typically say about "simple" music.

I try very hard not to patronise anyone by deliberately using complex and confusing musical terminology to win debating points - but everyone I know says I'm patronising when it comes to music. I don't see it myself, of course - but if that's one of my current character traits, then I really don't mind too much; it could be worse!

I hope you find this reasonable, even if, as I suspect, I misunderstand somehow.

It sounds like improvising music indeed, your analysis of that is true, what I argue, however, is that it sounds empty, and unfinished, as if P&M had not the technical capabilities to improvise adequately here. vdGG do make their music deceptively easy sounding, and I wrote that in my review of Godbluff, so I DO listen closely.

I've only heard Godbluff a couple of times - and haven't read your review (yet!), so can't make the comparison. VDGG are a band I'm still catching up with, but the improvisational feel is there, as you say. However, Genesis' music is a different ball game - a slower less intense one. Once you get hooked on the spaces in between, there's no going back, but until then, I kind of understand what you mean even if I don't agree.

Furthermore, I'd like to add to this that my point is that Genesis is nice and all, but it is far from THE BEST. Bands that DO add intricate bass, drums and keyboards like YES, KING CRIMSON and VDGG do such a good job at this that it fits in! Especially Bruford, I have applauded his works many times. Theya re simply better because of this, and that is why i don't accept Genesis having such a lead here.

But what you do can be as important as what you miss out. I am not keen on Yes, and the reasons will become apparent when I review them - I would never drop into a discussion on them and say, for example, that it is over elaborate and intense and seems to miss the point of creating music, since that would upset people!

To say that one band is better than another requires qualification, especially if you're going to state it as fact. If you make it clear that this is your opinion, then that's fair enough - although it's still polite to qualify that - as you have done. It makes discussion more interesting when you understand both sides, I think.

However, the choices given here are impossibly hard - I hated choosing one over another. "Angel's Egg" is one of my all-time favourite albums, but I had to select one, and SEBTP just took it.

Genesis have the lead because more members of this forum voted for them