Edenbridge falls victim to witchhunt

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   Interesting that you think so, Tarcisio, but that's nothing more than an unfounded feeling. I have exactly the opposite feeling: Too much metal is accepted in here which does not really deserve the name "prog". Now who of us is right?
Having said that: I am still waiting for Echo City (featuring Guy Evans of Van der Graaf Generator; one of the most avantgarde bands there are) to be added, or Cosmic Explosion (a krautrock all-star band). It seems though that both the Experimental and the Krautrock team have to do overtime. The albums of Cosmic Explosion are no longer available, by the way; they were limited pressings of a few thousand only. Both Echo City and Cosmic Explosion were suggested at least half a year ago.

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BaldFriede Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266	Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:14
	Interesting that you think so, Tarcisio, but that's nothing more than an unfounded feeling. I have exactly the opposite feeling: Too much metal is accepted in here which does not really deserve the name "prog". Now who of us is right? Having said that: I am still waiting for Echo City (featuring Guy Evans of Van der Graaf Generator; one of the most avantgarde bands there are) to be added, or Cosmic Explosion (a krautrock all-star band). It seems though that both the Experimental and the Krautrock team have to do overtime. The albums of Cosmic Explosion are no longer available, by the way; they were limited pressings of a few thousand only. Both Echo City and Cosmic Explosion were suggested at least half a year ago.
	BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

chopper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20033	Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:02
	I would suggest you re-read the responses from the prog-metal team in your previous rant, sorry I mean thread, http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33292&PID=2342499 The responses from MikeEnRegalia and The Progtologist seem pretty clear to me. As Jody says, it was a unanimous rejection.

Tarcisio Moura Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 198	Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:35
	Hi, chopper: Thanks for writing. I do know a lot of people don´t agree with me and I respect that. I just wanted a GOOD, valid reason Edenbridge can´t be here. I got none so far, even from the prog metal specialists. I have good reasons to think there is a witch hunt (purge is really a better and more fitting word, I agree) )going on, but again, that´s my opinion. A lot of people told me I should go on and write the biography. Everyboidy I know, here and elsewhere supported the simple vision that they should be here. Either as prog metal, art rock or even prog related. But they do have prog elements in their music. Certainly a lot more than pop bands like 10cc and straight heavy metal groups like Triumph. And I like them both. Best wishes Tarcísio B. Moura

Tony R Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979	Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:32
	Am I alone in getting totally fed up with this kind of childish reaction to NOT GETTING YOUR OWN WAY? I am beginning to lose count of the times I have read an insinuation that seems to imply that certain individuals are working in the background making dodgy decisions for their own ends or for some unexplained and unfathomable reason. Enough! There are no witch hunts and quite frankly I think that we need to address this kind of attack officially in the rules. How dare you make such a casually insulting and derogatory remark! It is perfectly OK to suggest that a mistake has been made, even accuse people of being incompetent (as long as you give very good reasons) but to suggest that some kind of impropriety has taken place, some nefarious blocking of certain bands or type of bands is totally unacceptable. To be perfectly frank, I personally dont want people like you on this forum, but luckily for you and your type its not about what I want. You are the kind of egocentric ingrate that will ultimately be the ruin of this wonderful website. 47 year old psychologist eh? I give in.....Edenbridge prey to a witch hunt. Very mature. You familiar with the word "libel"?

Tarcisio Moura Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 198	Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:17
	Hello, Kotro: Yes, I agree. I forgot about that. That´s even incoherent. thanks for your opinion. Cheers Tarcísio Moura

chopper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20033	Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:14
	I can't imagine why you think there would be a "witchhunt" going on. The prog-metal team know their stuff and must have had their reasons for deciding this band isn't suitable for inclusion. Interestingly I've just Googled "Edenbridge" and everyone seems to have them down as a "metal" band but there is no mention of "prog-metal". Sometimes you have to accept that not everyone has the same opinions as you.

Kotro Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815	Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:13
	Considering that Lanvall is here, I don't see why they shouldn't, even though I dislike them.
	Bigger on the inside.

Tarcisio Moura Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 198	Posted: February 21 2007 at 16:57
	Hi, Bhikkhu: Thanks for your opinion. I tried very hard to talk my reasons and even opened a forum about it. Unfortunatly the explanations I got were, mostly, dreadful, including one by a so called ´specialist´. Maybe he did not have enough time to go on long explantions, I don´t know. All my arguments fell to deaf ears. I´d love to hear a conving answer to why this band could not be included here. At least one! If something´s really going on is anyone´s guess, like me others think the same way. I thought they judgement was unfair, and I still do. Specially for not include them in any category (and there are many!). PA is the only place I know that does not consider Edenbridge a ProgMetal band. Even though they have all the characteristics to fill that spot. That´s what really amazes me. Best wishes Tarcísio Moura

bhikkhu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109	Posted: February 21 2007 at 16:16
	I know that there has been some backlash because of recent additions, but I do not see a connection here. As always, we evaluate each band on its own merits. If Edenbridge was rejected, then the Teams must not have felt they belong here. I don't think this is a sign of anything, other than your opinion being different than that of several other people. I noticed that in almost a year's time, you haven't posted very much. Perhaps if you participated more in the forum discussions, you might get a better idea of what the consensus is around here. You also might find out more about how the collaborators do their work.
	a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com

Tarcisio Moura Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 198	Posted: February 21 2007 at 15:32
	Hi, folks: It is my sad duty to say ProgArchives is not the same anymore. Recently I tried to included band Edenbridge in PA. To the rest fo the world they are known as a Prog metal band. I thought to bring them in would be a piece of cake, since it was quite obvious to anyone who heard their CDs that they deserve a place in this site. Unfortunatly this is not so. The band was not considered prog metal, the explanations I got were not really convincing, unless you take a `Not prog enough` as a complete and detailed answer. But, anyway, I still thought there was enough open minded people in other departments here to include them as maybe Art Rock or, at the very least, prog related. Nope! Believe it or not, Edenbridge was simply rejected. One might wonder why they did that, since there are already dozens of bands included here that I would never ever labeled them as prog. Or anyone I know. But I don´t mind, never did. Prog music is a wide concept and that is (or was) the beauty in prog archives. There was room for everybody. In my 30+ years of loving prog music I found progressive relations in pop, jazz, blues, folk and so forth . So, to me, PA policies were just right. Unfortunatly it seems that things are changing and there is a purge going on. Some people deciding some things are not "prog enough" and, consequently, not good for ProgArchives. What are the new parameters of what´s `really progressive´? A mystery. No information given (are they classified?). Are the purists winning over the liberals? (I guess so!) Edenbridge was unluckly caught in the middle of this witchhunt. A few months ago it would be included here easily. I know, it was nothing personal, just bad timing... But this is not what worries me the most. I wonder how many more have been and will be rejected right away. And then, what comes next, since many, many groups already included here are not... prog enough? Will they be just ignored like skeletons on their closets? Or cut off from PA? And if they do, how that will be accomplished? Will they be eliminated quietly during the still of the night and no explanations given? One day you wake up and they´re gone forever. Or will they burn them at the stake for all to see? Oh, I´m really sorry. Maybe I was too naive to believe it would last. Excuse me, but that´s how things start to go downhill. When a few people decides what´s good for the rest. It seems we have some guardians deciding to purge this site from what may be a threat to the purity of the holy progressive church. And we did not know it! PA became great for what it was liberal, generous, open minded. I learned a lot here and I´m really thankful. Still, I don´t like and fear the way things are going now. Respectfully Tarcísio B. Moura