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bluetailfly 
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 Posted: January 21 2007 at 23:14 |
 Chus wrote:
saying "Hackett by a mile" is pretty much exaggerated. I'll give you that Hackett was FAR more influential than Petrucci; but Petrucci's TECHNICAL skill is obvious. Still I prefer Hackett, but that doesn't make him better than Petrucci TECHNICALLY-WISE (put it in capitals so there's no confusion) |
Being technically skillful is nothing unless you have an aesthetic gift. Without the ability to move some one musically, technical skill is worth nothing...nothing.
There are tens of thousands of guitarists who are technically skillful, who can play rings around a lot of talented guitarists, but they will go nowhere because they don't have a musical gift.
My point is, if you're going to argue that Petrucci's got it over Hackett, I think you'd better emphasize his musical talent, e.g., chord phrasing, melodic soloing, intensity of voicing or something, not just his technical ability, because that's not impressive to those who are knowledgeable of the guitar and the music it can make.
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Chus
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 23:01 |
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saying "Hackett by a mile" is pretty much exaggerated. I'll give you that Hackett was FAR more influential than Petrucci; but Petrucci's TECHNICAL skill is obvious. Still I prefer Hackett, but that doesn't make him better than Petrucci TECHNICALLY-WISE (put it in capitals so there's no confusion)
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 22:50 |
Sasquamo wrote:
"Hackett because he was in Genesis, one of the classic prog bands, and Petrucci is in Dream Theater (need I comment)"
Seriously, that's what it comes down to. I choose Petrucci.
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It's your option to choose Petrucci, but don't be unfair, many members have given solid arguments to justify Steve Hackett being better according to their opinion.
Hackett's contribution as a soloist is as important as his contribution to Genesis if this is possible, but again it's a matter of taste.
Iván
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Sasquamo
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 21:55 |
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"Hackett because he was in Genesis, one of the classic prog bands, and Petrucci is in Dream Theater (need I comment)"
Seriously, that's what it comes down to. I choose Petrucci.
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 15:36 |
Cygnus wrote:
Because i have read May's influences..Steve Hackett isn't one of them..
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"He [Brian May] said to me, he was aware of the early GENESIS material, in
particular, "Musical Box", which was on the album "Nursery Cryme". And
I played there a harmony guitar solo on the end of that, and he said to
me that I had influenced him. I was completely out of way with this
because I always thought that his harmony guitar style was something
which he really came up with and pioneered it. But I used to do a thing
like that from time to time." http://www.dmme.net/interviews/hackett.html
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Chus
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 15:30 |
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I prefer Hackett but I wouldn't go as far as saying that Hackett has more skill than Petrucci (technically), nor the other way around. In fact we should only rely on subjective criterias when comparing the two; it's more accurate
Edited by Chus - January 21 2007 at 15:33
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Cygnus
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 15:29 |
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 15:11 |
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Neither is my favourite guitarist, though I'd take Hackett over Petrucci any day. JP may be superior in a technical sense, but Hackett's playing has much more feeling to these ears. Sorry, DT fans - this is not gratuitous bashing, but just a question of personal taste, as all art is.
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 15:11 |
akin wrote:
Hackett in Genesis was not that good mainly because he didn't have many spots as the band was keyboard driven. But man, check his solo stuff. The classical songs are fantastic.
Hackett was not good in Genesis, HACKETT WAS PERFECT FOR GENESIS.
Genesis music required a person able to create atmospheres, he was the support of the band along with Banks, many of the sounds that most people believe are keyboards are in fact created by Hackett with his unique style before the MIDI guitar was invented.
Remember Hackett's performance in The Return of the Giant Hogweed is historical, nobody ever before dared to bring the tapping technique to Rock, he was the predecessor.
The prove of how good he was in Genesis is that when he left, the band lost everything, not even Gabriel's departure caused so much damage to Genesis musically.
I heard a Gabriel interview about Hackett's audition and he said that while all the other guitar players were doing speed masturbation and trying to be the new Hendrix or Santana (there is only one Hendrix and Santana), Hackett started working on atmospheres and they decided for him inmediately.
Hackett in the other hand says that he noticed that Genesis music required more depth and atmosphere, it was easy for him to make an amazing solo to impress the band (Most bands would had hired a flashy guitar player more easily) but he heard Genesis music, knew what was missing there and added it, took the risk and was hired, that's what a real musician does.
IMO Hackett is more responsible of the Genesis trademark sound than Banks, Banks is the composer but Steve added what the band was lacking of.
So Hackett wins by a mile.
There we agree.
Iván
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 21 2007 at 22:55
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 14:54 |
Cygnus wrote:
srbruno wrote:
Hackett defintly had a very strong influence on guitarists that cxame after him...but in the case of mere skill and overall talent i think Petrucci takes it away. He has all the skill Hackett has and more.. i think hackett may write a little bit better than Petrucci but again skill wise Petrucci wins in my eyes.. |
Such as???Petrucci by far...
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Francis Dunnery, Brian May, Yngwie Malmsteen, Roine Stolt, Alex Lifeson etc all cite him as being an influence on their playing to some degree.
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Posted: January 21 2007 at 14:15 |
Mr. Sanchez wrote:
Hahaha... I love these polls..
Petrucci is just a Guitarist, Hackett is a musician.
Personal preference is the winner here.
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I'd like to see your definition of a musician please.
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 14:44 |
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Hackett can hack it, so him.
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 14:41 |
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 14:40 |
I really don't why people only view Petrucci's stuff as "all about speed" or how he just plays fast techincal stuff and that's it. I think his solo's and riffs and all that always are powerful/emotional/meaningful/melodic. He doesn't just play fast to show that he is fast. The notes are all carefully chosen and played at the certain speed for some reason.
However, as a sole composer he is quite poor. Dream Theater is made possible by the collaboration of all the players, who are all musical genious/virtuosos. Petrucci's solo stuff is rather weak. It only boasts some cool riffs and amazing solos, but there really is no sentimental value to it. Rudess' however is virtuosic, creative, diverse, and memorable. He is probably more responsible for the quality of their duet album.
However, both are great guitarists. Hackett as a solo composer is better than Petrucci, but strictly as a guitarist I think Petrucci could slaughter anyone in a contest. I love both.
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 14:26 |
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The odd thing is, if Petrucci and Hackett met, I'm sure they would praise each other, and Petrucci would revere H as a master, but not one of them would consider himself above the other. Just Petrucci would see H as one of his mentors, of the examples he followed. Like when you see DT with Yes in some video and pictures, you can almost TELL the admiration this man has for Howe. And you can tell the respect Howe has for this young (well, not so young anymore) wizard.
A better poll would be: Hackett vs Billy Joe Amstrong
or Myung vs Sid Vicious or Portnoy vs MickPointer or Collins vs Agalloch's drummer
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 13:24 |
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Fripp pwns them all with one hand, while he takes his tea with the other one
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Cygnus
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 08:23 |
srbruno wrote:
Hackett defintly had a very strong influence on guitarists that cxame after him...but in the case of mere skill and overall talent i think Petrucci takes it away. He has all the skill Hackett has and more.. i think hackett may write a little bit better than Petrucci but again skill wise Petrucci wins in my eyes.. |
Such as???Petrucci by far...
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 08:21 |
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Both are top of the scale musicians.
Completly different though. Let's just say... I don't like comparing... But when I do, my moto is "Only compare two musicians that would try out for the same band (if it was making auditions for an empty position or something) if they were interested".
No need to compare between Petrucci and Hackett
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: January 20 2007 at 06:31 |
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Hackett. He's the better composer on both electric and acoustic guitar, he's more versatile and, though Petrucci destroys him on the electric when it comes to pure technical skill, Hackett is more skilled on acoustic guitar. I'd say Hackett has much better phrasing that Petrucci on both instruments, also.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: January 19 2007 at 20:21 |
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Hackett is the better musician, though Petrucci is much better technically
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