Best US President

Arrrghus wrote: Along with John Paul, Gorbachev deserves a LOT of credit for ending the Cold War. (If anything, Reagan deserves very little credit at all).

Yes -- and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa in Poland, too. Don't forget him (and Polish unionism as a whole) -- he was very important in providing the pressures for Gorby to react to.

I liked the way Reagan had the courage and foresight to significantly reduce the US nuclear arsenal (and thus Russia's), though.

Don't know that I'd give John Paul much credit, as I recall. I'd shake the hands of Walesa and Gorbachev first.


Edited by Peter Rideout - January 03 2007 at 00:06

Arrrghus wrote: stonebeard wrote: Arrrghus wrote: The problem with liberals is that they don't get anything done. Conservatives get stuff done, but the stuff isn't always what's is best. On one hand, we have idealists, and the other we have people who get the job done. Frankly, we need a comprimise. That's why I'm a moderate. I think we need stuff done, but the wishy-washy nature of today's political correctness gets in the way. As my wise father says, "I will respect you in the work place and in economic endeavours, but I'll be damned if the color of your skin or whether or not you piss sitting down or standing up or what is your sexual preference give you an advantage over the next guy." My father is talking about the ridiculous need to overcompensate (affirmative action, anyone). Political correctness just gets in the way. You know why liberals haven't gotten "anything done" with the Bush administration? Because they've been in the minority in the House and Senate for 6 years. It's hard to get your agenda on the table when the other party dominates the process. And why did Republicans get stuff done? Because they were in control. What agenda? Even with power they're disorganized and trying as hard as they can to be dipsh*ts.

I'll give you an answer when you start to sound deserving of an answer (ie not calling people dipsh*ts).
    
    

Edited by stonebeard - January 02 2007 at 21:47

video vertigo wrote: progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president. He was the only president to never be elected for anything. And he did a good job considering he didn't really ask for it. Makes me glad Bush is alive and not going to be impeached or resign, he's not a good president but look who's next in line Who? the vice president is next in line to the president. Currently the vice president is Dick Cheney

Pray to God if they both go and good ol' Nancy Pelosi gets a chance to screw with the country even more than is currently being done

progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president. He was the only president to never be elected for anything. And he did a good job considering he didn't really ask for it. Makes me glad Bush is alive and not going to be impeached or resign, he's not a good president but look who's next in line Who?

the vice president is next in line to the president. Currently the vice president is Dick Cheney
    

The problem with liberals is that they don't get anything done. Conservatives get stuff done, but the stuff isn't always what's is best.

On one hand, we have idealists, and the other we have people who get the job done.

Frankly, we need a comprimise. That's why I'm a moderate. I think we need stuff done, but the wishy-washy nature of today's political correctness gets in the way. As my wise father says, "I will respect you in the work place and in economic endeavours, but I'll be damned if the color of your skin or whether or not you piss sitting down or standing up or what is your sexual preference give you an advantage over the next guy."

My father is talking about the ridiculous need to overcompensate (affirmative action, anyone). Political correctness just gets in the way.

Arrrghus wrote: stonebeard wrote: Of every president, I'll say Teddy Roosevelt was probably the best. Captured the frontier spirit and was an all-around likeable guy.      He's pretty cool, but what did he do for the country? That's the most important thing.

created the national park system he was probably the best environmentalist president. Definitely deserves his spot right here \/

Arrrghus wrote: video vertigo wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.           I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one. I'm not a fan of conservatives, so I'm a bit biased (don't get me wrong, I don't like many liberals either).

great statement. Well I'm a registered Republican but only because I dislike democrats slightly more (although the current president changes everything) I tend to lean towards libertarianism. I think historically conservatives have screwed up slightly less than liberals (again the current president not included because he screws all my theories up)

Arrrghus wrote: video vertigo wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.           I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one. I'm not a fan of conservatives, so I'm a bit biased (don't get me wrong, I don't like many liberals either).

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Of every president, I'll say Teddy Roosevelt was probably the best. Captured the frontier spirit and was an all-around likeable guy.

video vertigo wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.           I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one.

I'm not a fan of conservatives, so I'm a bit biased (don't get me wrong, I don't like many liberals either).