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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:27
Thanks Dick, I will start with Misterious Traveller and Tales Spinnin' then (the remastered reissues).Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:22
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Hi jazz rock friends!
 
I would like to ask your opinion on Weather Report. I see that few people write reviews on them, and some of their most famous works are somehow neglected here (Misterious Traveller) although highly rated.

In particular, the only collaborator to have reviewed Misterious Traveller is the neo-prog specialist Greenback!Confused (Confused is not for your review, Greenback. It's only because it's strange that the unique collaborator to have reviewed such an album is from the neo-prog team...!Embarrassed).
 
 
I'm not a connoisseur of the genre and I only now am starting to enlarge my knowledge, after Mahavishnu, Return to Forever and some other italian stuff like Arti & Mestieri and Perigeo.
 
Can you please help me?
 
Thanks in advance.Smile


Personally the Jaco period  Weather Report takes second place to the earlier Weather Report discovering that discernable WR's sound, the mix of world, funk and jazz rock. Therefore I much prefer Tales Spinnin' and Mysterious Traveler - Alphonso Johnson was the man at the time on bass. Jaco is my man for what he did to Joni Mitchell's mid 70's folk and jazz rock fusion albums - also like his contribution to the neglected album he did with the Bireli Lagrene Trio. Also check out the granddaddy of above ground jazz rock groups Tony Williams Lifetime, e.g. Emergency (seminal even for the poor in-studio aural qulaity), Turn It Over
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:20
Uhm, my friend Andrea Corterse... Is a very surprise for me that the Weather Reporter  be in PA because they are 100% Jazz!!! In every case very good group!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 06:13
Hi jazz rock friends!
 
I would like to ask your opinion on Weather Report. I see that few people write reviews on them, and some of their most famous works are somehow neglected here (Misterious Traveller) although highly rated.

In particular, the only collaborator to have reviewed Misterious Traveller is the neo-prog specialist Greenback!Confused (Confused is not for your review, Greenback. It's only because it's strange that the unique collaborator to have reviewed such an album is from the neo-prog team...!Embarrassed).
 
 
I'm not a connoisseur of the genre and I only now am starting to enlarge my knowledge, after Mahavishnu, Return to Forever and some other italian stuff like Arti & Mestieri and Perigeo.
 
Can you please help me?
 
Thanks in advance.Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 05:08
Scofield is as extremely gifted artist who knows how to be a crowd pleaser. His engaging and sickly sweet style is hard to ignore, yet invites a degree of caution from yours truly. Designed music, as opposed to music felt, IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2007 at 11:09
 
 
This is what is getting me currently abuzz wrt Scofield - his work with nu.fusionist Bugge Wesseltoft.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2007 at 20:59
Not sure if he's been said yet in this thread (though he probably hasn't) but John Scofield is a VERY underrated jazz rock/fusion/funk writer/composer/guitarist. IMO he's by far the best jazz guitarist out there. Some of his most notable albums are Blue Matter, Loud Jazz, Electric Outlet, A Go Go(with MMW.) Ahh I could go on forever. He's one of my favorite artists.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2007 at 10:17
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I never was a great fan of Billy Cobham (though technically he is of course an excellent drummer).  He reminds me a bit of a Poltergeist at times, playing too much and too loud where less would have been more. He was best on the first album of the Mahavishnu Orchestra, "The Inner Mounting Flame", although his tendency of playing too much can already be heard there too.
If you can find it I'd like to suggest you give a listen to Billy Cobham's "Picture This" cd.  I think you might be surprised how much his drumming flows with the music and doesn't over power it.  Relatively speaking it is a much more mellow release of his.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2007 at 09:00
I never was a great fan of Billy Cobham (though technically he is of course an excellent drummer).  He reminds me a bit of a Poltergeist at times, playing too much and too loud where less would have been more. He was best on the first album of the Mahavishnu Orchestra, "The Inner Mounting Flame", although his tendency of playing too much can already be heard there too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2007 at 04:53
Clearly Cobham DeJohnette & Williams are very special drummers and quite different from each other. Cobham that very muscular, fast but still very precise, Tony Williams with an amazing ability to maintian a rock steady beat for a long time, DeJohnette, more restrained perhaps the less-is-more school of drummers. However, they have impinged upon each other at time - recently Jack DeJohnette (with Scofield and Golding) as Trio Beyond did the Williams tribute Saudades, and musically different from the original Williams version. Then I think on Tony Williams In Tokyo live album (I think that is available from Brian Auger's website????), Billy Cobham guests and we get a drum battle. BTW Cobham and Gary Husband drum battle on Cobham's Time Traveler.
 
I'm looking forward to hearing the completeTrio of Doom recordings promised by Sony this year, with Tony Williams in tandem with Jaco P as the rhythm section.
 
 
 
 
np Hectic Watermelon's The Great American Road Trip - new fusion with Jerry Goodman guesting on many tracks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 15:09
Dwill,
I think your message was clearWink, excellent choice of drummers nevertheless, Williams, De Johnette and Cobham are too among my favourite drummers!
 
BTW speaking about Jazz rock drumming, the drumming of DeJohnette on 'The Jack Johnson' Sessions is breathtaking. So heavy, funky and subtile at the same time. One of my alltime favourites : when he plays on top of all the polyrhyhmic stuff going on this deep tuned tom that sounds like he's closing a heavy door.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 12:36
I was trying to be facetious in my comments.  I had never heard Mitch Mitchell described as being pioneering especially in the jazz-rock areana.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 12:13

interesting so Dwill , the 3 drummers you mentionned played all in the Jazz rock period of Miles Davis and are  among the most significant modern Jazz drummers

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 10:01
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

 
Mitch Mitchell influenced Jack DeJohnette, Tony Williams and Billy Cobham???
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 09:40
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

 
Mitch Mitchell influenced Jack DeJohnette, Tony Williams and Billy Cobham???
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 08:03
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

John "Mitch" Mitchell ...

Mitch pioneered a style of drumming which would later become known as fusion. This is a "lead" style of playing typified by chops-heavy interplay with lead instruments such as guitar or keyboards, and the melding of jazz and rock drumming styles.
 
Mitch Mitchell influenced Jack DeJohnette, Tony Williams and Billy Cobham???


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 07:28

John "Mitch" Mitchell (born 9 July 1947 in Ealing, Middlesex) was a drummer for The Jimi Hendrix Experience.

He was one of the most influential drummers of the late 1960s and early 1970s. In the few years before joining The Experience he was known locally as an outstanding session drummer (and had even hosted a children's programme on TV - probably a follow-on from his stage school training as a youngster). Known amongst his music mates in 1964 as the only musician they knew with a new car.

He is most noted for his work with The Jimi Hendrix Experience, and praised for his legendary works on such songs as Manic Depression, Voodoo Child (Slight Return), Fire and Third Stone from the Sun. Mitchell came from a jazz background and like many of his drumming contemporaries he was strongly influenced by the work of Elvin Jones, Philly Joe Jones, and Art Blakey. He brought this dynamic, flowing style to the group, and was given the freedom to "take it out there" along with Jimi Hendrix, while still keeping the grooves grounded and solid.

Mitch pioneered a style of drumming which would later become known as fusion. This is a "lead" style of playing typified by chops-heavy interplay with lead instruments such as guitar or keyboards, and the melding of jazz and rock drumming styles. In late 1966, this expressive and flamboyant style of playing was unheard of in rock. Drums had always been expected to stay in the background, locking down the groove with the bass. Along with Hendrix's groundbreaking guitar work and songs, Mitch's playing helped to redefine rock music.

Mitch was Hendrix's most important musical collaborator, playing in Hendrix's Experience trio from October 1966 to mid-1969, his Woodstock band in August 1969, and also his "Cry of Love" band in 1970. Hendrix would often record tracks in the studio with just himself and Mitch, and in concert the two fed off of each other to exciting effect.

Mitch played in the band The Dirty Mac which was put together for The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus in 1968. The band contained John Lennon as "Winston Leg-Thigh" as vocalist and rhythm guitarist, Eric Clapton as guitarist, Keith Richards as bassist, and Mitch Mitchell as drummer. They recorded a rendition of the song Yer Blues, as well as a jam called Whole Lotta Yoko.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 07:10
When documenting on the Jimi Hendrix Experience, I read that Mitch Mitchell's drumming was of fundamental influence for the development of mature jazz-rock, mainly (only?)because of his "interplay" style of relating with the other instruments, and not just backing. What would you say about that, Mr. Heath? I also remember reading he played in actual jazzrock projects but I can't recall whether any release was involved.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 05:52
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Grand band and my favorite brass rock group tending to jazz. Have you seen there is a good live recording available on CD (recorded in 1972 in Europe) - there is also another album Tea Break Over - which alas If are past their prime with only a few of the original line-up playing. Part of the band became Zzebra and of course by the 1979/80 the successful Morrisey-Mullen Band.
I'm going to have to lighten my wallet a little and get this live cd.  I never saw them (one of the few bands I always wanted to see) so the live cd will be a must. 
 
Morrisey Mullen Band was built around Scot's Jim Mullen from the Average White band and Dick Morrisey from the UK 60's jazz  scene and of course If. Their first album was Cape Wraith (on Harvest Records' short-lived jazz rock off-shoot - the other release was an album by Robert Ahwah and Max Middleton both ex Jeff beck and Hummingbird), in the 80's they were more popular on the jazz dance scene in Europe. ( A spin-off band lead by the American bass player of MMB, was known as Hubbards Cupboards). Dick Morrisey was ill for a long time through the 90's and alas died too young. Jim Mullen subsequently moved to much straighter jazz - some albums on Voiceprint Records (including a couple of albums with Gary Husband playing drums - in a way you won't expect from Level 42 and Allan Holdsworth's European drummer). If's vocalist T Hodkinson it has been reported (alas when the former members of If came together for Dick Morrisey's funeral), still sings on the Lancashire circuit in the UK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 05:41
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

^^Gents, which is the best If album to start off with...?  If they compare favourably with e.g. Chicago Transit Authority's first, I'm interested...
 
If or If 2 are equally good. As fan of both CTA and the early If albums, I think on the whole they are both great - and both still get regular listens in my household. CTA is more at the rock end of brass rock's sub-division of jazz rock, whilst If the jazz end. Ironically while I would call If a major brass rock band, they didn't play brass instruments, rather guitar, organ and woodwind in lead. Chicago used horns (the trombonist's (James Pankow?) arrangements did hit the button on a number of occasions, e.g. Mother), woodwind, organ, guitar in lead. In the past one or two folks have complained that they had problems with T Hodgkinson's voice  in If, personally I think it is one of those great British smoky soulful voices- up there with James Litherland (Colosseum, Mogul Thrash), Chris Youlden (Savoy Brown) Robert Palmer (on earlier albums, e.g. Sneaking Sally)
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