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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:38
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

...the usual stupid things about women going because David Gilmour is cute and all that. 
Not that stupid at all I think. Nobody cancelled the rule: don't even dream about success if girls don't like you.  Smile


You are only quoting a part of my post and the not the next and more important part of it.

And by the way, it's not true that men are so religiously devoted to music alone that they won't attend the gig of an attractive female musician mainly for her looks and not the music.  When Iron Maiden performed here 5 years back, people were more forgiving of Lauryn Harris than a local nu metal band though both were equally bad. If men didn't salivate at the sight of attractive women, a fair few female TV presenters would have to find another job.  One sided stereotyping, imo.


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

...the usual stupid things about women going because David Gilmour is cute and all that. 
Not that stupid at all I think. Nobody cancelled the rule: don't even dream about success if girls don't like you.  Smile
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The irony is that Raff made this thread to talk about what drew other women like her to prog and thereby beat the stereotype. But you just had to have all the men say the usual stupid things about women going because David Gilmour is cute and all that. 

Let us suppose that is true.  So what?  Are there not men who watch women's tennis only when Sharapova or Ivanovic play and who don't really care about better players like Davenport (ok, she's retired but anyway..) or Clijsters just because they are unattractive?  In my experience, 90% of male tennis lovers I have met are like that.  Why should it be so hard for some men to understand that if they can feel drawn to attractive members of the other sex, it can very well hold good for the other side and is not just about this whole business of "women being women".
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Originally posted by sm sm sm sm wrote:

There are probably similar sexist stereotypes about men who can't get into dance music (because their too neandrathal, etc), except its also promoted through taxpayer assisted women's (read - Feminist) programs or venues that would not allow simialr sexism against women. 
 
 
Hi sm sm, if you are still around....if I read your post right, I now realize that it is "I" who have been victimized.  As a man who delights in a listening session of YES- CTTE but is a pariah on the dance floor.  I have missed out and could not cash-in on all the fame and social goodies that went to the majority that can trip the light fantastic to the latest Madonna drivel.  I Missed out on so many late night romances, to that "pop", happenin kinda guy who can talk "Beyonce".  Plus, the $$$ I could have made from hangin with the "in crowd".  Hmm, maybe Gloria Alred will represent me.  Where are MY social programs(for guys who love Gentle Giant but can't disco dance)???
 
Ok seriously...   I am new here and I just saw that this thread is active  so I read it.  Boy, do I feel like a fool thinking this was a nice mellow little place!  I thought all the insult tossing, judgemental peeps were all over at Alt. Music.Yes!
Silly me. Confused   Seriously, the original question was kinda silly. The are virtually no girls who are into prog!  A better question is why is that?
 
The monkey-dance mating ritual theory was covered already so I will humbly point out 2 other reassons why I think we have this phenomenon.
 
1. Simple exposure
2. Woman have been left out of all boys club of music.
 
Exposure I - As an Alice Cooper, Elton John loving 13 year old, I had a music appreciation class freshman year HS.  The teacher played on a decent stereo.... Rick Wakeman (after Jackson Brown) then ELP... and I was hooked!  I went out and bought Rick Wakeman LPs then Yes, etc.... 
 
Exposure II - I recall going to a party in 8th grade and a girl had an ELP - Brain Salad Surgery record.  Well at that time New York's WPLJ had ELP muisic in their TV commercial!  See the connection?Wink
Prog is not promoted via radio or the media so it is hard for anybody to be exposed to it.
 
Exposure III - Before I met my wife she was into dance - pop rock - whatever pop de jour.  After seeing YES ONE TIME
(with Benoit David, thank you very much!) she LOVES YES.  It was Steve Howe's playing that actually got to her.  She herself decided that we would travel to see them the next night as well... She loves ELP as well & Glass Hammer...
 
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Music was largely a men's only club.  In the 70's (my generation) women were not in prog or rock bands(Heart was the only band I think....) Women were very much stereotyped.  Women should be models,actresses, teachers, maybe doctors but NOT rock musicians.  This all slowly changed so today, girls in bands are no big thing. Back then, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead, The Who, Stones, AND all the prog bands were ALL men.  These bands were the heroes of men.  Most guys wanted to play like them and BE like them.  What did that music offer a girl?  Oh, yeah,to be that folk singer Joan Baez... That was pretty much it.
 
Cheers!
 
Ok, just my $.02.


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Hi, new to this forum and this thread grabbed me because this is one of the things that has stumped me as well. I am a woman BTW who has been very into prog since my high school days in the 80s. Someone in this thread mentioned maybe it was lack of exposure? Maybe. I can only speak for myself, but here is why I got hooked on prog: < ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">

First of all (I also wrote this story on my intro post), my first "baptism", if you will, into prog was when I took my sister to the Yes- 90125 concert in 1984. In all actuality, the thing that motivated  me to get tickets to go to that concert was  that Berlin was the opening band and I was very into them. Well, Berlin cancelled and we were left with only Yes. My sister (who is 9 years older than I) said not to worry; I would find that I knew a lot more of Yes songs than I thought I did. 

Well, she sure was right. The whole concert I was like, "Oh yeah! I know this song!" That concert just blew me away and I have never encountered its equal all of these years, and I've been to a lot of concerts. After that concert I went and found and 8 track (yes, an 8 track) of Fragile and just was captivated. Thus was my initiation into prog. 

But my interest was then nurtured by a group of guys I began hanging around with. I was quite the rebel back then and kind of a party animal and there was this house called "The Zoo" we all used to hang out at and drink crappy 3.2 beer. The gender proportion there was always about 4/1 guys over girls, but there I was. Many of those guys were into prog and a couple were serious audiophiles. So I got introduced to a lot of prog type bands such as: Rush, ELP, more Yes, Jethro Tull, Asia, Pink Floyd, Styx and my huge fav.. Alan Parsons Project. 

Later I met my husband who really loved Yes and prog in general and he was amazed and thrilled that I was interested in it. During the 90s I got caught up in contemporary Christian music which became pretty boring pretty fast until I heard Iona, which is an outstanding Celtic Christian prog band from the UK. I was being reeled into prog once again. 

But why do I keep searching for new prog artists to enjoy and keep being captivated to all of those I have found through the years? I guess its just that I have a fierce and deep love of music in general. It is "in my blood" so to speak. I come from very musical parents and have owned my own music since I was a toddler, literally. I knew how to operate a turntable with respect at the age of 4 and began building my collection of vinyl at that age (which I still have BTW).  I am hard pressed to find a genre of music that I just can't stand at all. 

And now that the internet and broadband has come around the music world has opened up to me big time! In the last few years, I've discovered a lot of prog bands through emusic while I had a good job as I had a subscription there. Now I don't have that and so have started lurking around here to discover more. 

Glad to be one of the few women here! 

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Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

^You haven't read enough of what I say to determine whether or not I'm being sarcastic. I have nothing against spirituality or religious individuals. 


OK, that's fair....(listening to to the Hallelujah section of Magma's Ka, lol).
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Surpisingly this thread is less popular than this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82415 LOL


Note that these two threads have at least two common points:
 - they are discussing matter concerning women - but without any woman involved in these discussions;
 - they are made for trolling;
 - they will go waaaaaay out of hand in less than one week.
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Surpisingly this thread is less popular than this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82415 LOL
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If ti were physically possible to burn this thread, I would.

Why on earth would you want ti to burn this thread physically? Tongue
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2012 at 13:53
^You haven't read enough of what I say to determine whether or not I'm being sarcastic. I have nothing against spirituality or religious individuals. 
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Why do religious people like Prog? Isn't prog rock too open-minded for their pathetic, close-minded apprehensions? Isn't prog rock too important and forwardly-thinking for their incomplete, backwood sensibilities?


Wow, what a nice guy you must be.

Just insult some of the greatest creators of prog, who happen to be very into spirituality.

Isn't not opening one's mind to the nature of reality, which many think of as spiritual, "close-minded"?
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If ti were physically possible to burn this thread, I would.
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Why do religious people like Prog? Isn't prog rock too open-minded for their pathetic, close-minded apprehensions? Isn't prog rock too important and forwardly-thinking for their incomplete, backwood sensibilities?

My three year old son knows half the words to Dylan's Ballad of a Thin Man (and can sing them pretty much in tune), but I don't think he likes ELP too much. Does that make him a f**kin' idiot? Why don't most toddlers enjoy prog? We need to devote millions of dollars of funding into figuring that one out.

Do active members of the Ku Klux Klan enjoy prog rock? I'll bet they're jamming out to Tales From Topographic Oceans during those secret lynchings. I'll wager a study donkey that they chant the chorus to Lucky Man in the midst of burning crosses on the lawns of minorities.

I have no real point to add other than that my girlfriend loves almost all the same bands as me, which is only important to me. I doubt any of you here give half a sh*t about that, and that's the way I prefer it. She loves Pink Floyd and hates Rush. Perfect!
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

So we not only offend women but now we offend homosexuals too. We got it all covered. Do black people like prog?


Sherman Hemsley likes prog.  Who else do you need?
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Originally posted by SongJohn SongJohn wrote:

Short answer is that there are more musically shallow women than shallow men - because believe me, I'm not much impressed  by the types of music most men listen to either. Men have just as many societal duties and pressures but in slightly larger numbers seem more willing to breakaway and ditch the pressures. Like Sid Vicious said, "nobody has to do anything". How are women supposed to get that when they're constantly freaking about walking in the house with shoes on? Lol. Those two world-views are light years apart and most likely cannot be reconciled; even chemical perturbation from say a magic mushroom in most cases cannot do anything for the soft headed except reinforce the differences between "reality" and "fantasy". And again, I think most men are stupid like this too. Joni Mitchell said people "decided to become stupid in 1980". I tend to agree. In 1975 this woman made some albums that could give prog of the same year a run for it's money.  

My wife is one of the fortunate souls to escape idiocy. When I met her she already had Relayer in her collection, so I didn't have to teach her prog. That's why we married. I wouldn't spend my time with no woman that can't appreciate good music. Nobody's worth the time. And you know my wife got even more in harmony with me to the point where she was bringing ME new '70s music to listen to: she introduced me to Samadhi's self titled album from 1974. I don't think that ANYBODY knows this band, let alone my wife to discover the CD and send it my way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP40cCmkY9A

My wifes absolute favs are Alas, pre '75 Gong, Arachnoid, Pulsar, Eloy, Gelatine Plates, 1972-4ish ELP, Tempano etc. I'm fairly lucky as she does not listen to really much anything after 1979. It makes both of us really sick to hear anything after 1979. She's 21, I'm 25. It works. Don't settle on a non music loving woman. No such thing as the "perfect," but there's close to perfect. I've had too many stupidiotic girlfriends who would tell me to turn the prog down. That's when I had to turn the girls down. It made them cry and plead, but hey, that's their own fault for deciding on becoming brainless remnants of life afriad of anything slightly perturbing or thought-provoking. I once was playing the movie "fantastic planet" from 1973, and an old Girlfriend was crying to me to please turn it off because the music was scaring her. f**king idiot.   

  

 


 


 



wait

what?

Oh god, please please any divine being that may exist...tell me this is some exaggeration gone wrong.

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

So we not only offend women but now we offend homosexuals too. We got it all covered. Do black people like prog?

Look, I'm trying really hard to cover all the bases.

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

So we not only offend women but now we offend homosexuals too. We got it all covered. Do black people like prog?

Look, I'm trying really hard to cover all the bases.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

So we not only offend women but now we offend homosexuals too. We got it all covered. Do black people like prog?



What about aliens? Think they blast Tom Sawyer while flying around the universe?
get it??? space invaders!

har har


I DO know a gay man and black man that like prog so shazam!
And I've not met an alien yet, but if so they better like Opeth or I'll blast em with their space ray.


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So we not only offend women but now we offend homosexuals too. We got it all covered. Do black people like prog?

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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Maybe late to this party but, do we know the reasons men like prog?

Also, where are they!? Both men and women, I need more people that don't like crap music!

Both are rare. The fairer gender more so.


This is quite true, and sadly while guy friends are good the other gender of friend I preferCry



Well, you could always decide to become gay but then you'd have to like disco.  I think it may be obligatory...
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