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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2015 at 12:59
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Walton Street Walton Street wrote:

Does anyone read these things or is it just therapy?


Speaking as the OP of this thread, I do read these once in a while; think of it as a forum based catharsis centre

Incidentally, I agree 100% with your opinion of what I call ICBMs (irretrievably common breeding machines)
 
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Facebook - the constant need for validation
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2015 at 11:30
Originally posted by Walton Street Walton Street wrote:

Does anyone read these things or is it just therapy?


Speaking as the OP of this thread, I do read these once in a while; think of it as a forum based catharsis centre

Incidentally, I agree 100% with your opinion of what I call ICBMs (irretrievably common breeding machines)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2015 at 07:01
I recently moved from the city to a small rural town of about 16,000 people.
I'm originally from a similar sized town and left 25 years ago because I hated the small minded people and the lack of  .. anything.
 
As an adult I can handle the small town - if I need to go to the city - I can drive there. I never get bored - I have plenty of things to do - working on the house alone will keep me busy for years.
 
But here's the thing - I recently joined Facebook again just to post photography.
I LOATHE Facebook. (That can be a whole other rant) but it's good as a picture warehouse.
I only have a couple of friends on it and I hide their feeds.
 
I discovered a number of local area Facebook pages that are buy and sell forums ..
All kinds of stuff - usually really cheap.
I haven't bought anything yet but I have given things away to needy people ...
 
and that's my rant - what the hell is it with these small town hick morons having kids at 17 - 18 years of age - with some baseball hat wearing truck driving unemployed moron who cant even begin to take care of the family he's responsible for ????
 
These are the people constantly on the buy and sell. I'm looking for used CDs, maybe camera equipment - and all I see is kids looking for free stuff that needs to be dropped off because they have no transportation ...  yet their profile pic shows them in a cheezy posed department store photo hugging some punk.
 
I guess this crap has been going on for centuries .. it's just the first time in 25 years I've come face to face with the thing that drove me out of my hometown in the first place. (not to mention the bigotry, sexism, and homophobia)
 
Ok - I feel a little better now.
 
Does anyone read these things or is it just therapy?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 15:08
I barely check voicemail anymore.  I have most of my contacts trained to use E-mail.  There's always a fast easy response and a written record of what is happening.  Quick for printing too. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 11:39
^Half audible call back numbers is the prime reason that I don't own a gun. What's wrong with theses idiots! Thank god for texts!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 11:21
I can't stand it when people leave me a voicemail at work, and rush through the part of who they are and what company they're from so that I can't understand what they said.  These people usually are careful about being clear when they say their phone number, but now I have a phone number and no idea whom I need to ask for.  So then I call and I'm the one who looks stupid because then I'm just some schmuck calling a busy practice and I don't even know who I'm calling for.

And this goes double for people with thick accents.  Where "accent" can be broadly aimed at any voice that doesn't sound like mine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2014 at 01:37
I've had enough of it with these ads that roll over on webpages when you don't want them to.

Now, usually I'm prone to thinking violent things when something like this happens. However, so as not to scare anyone and comply with the rules of the forum (if there are any pertaining to a case like this), I abstain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 05:43
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The videos on FB are getting really boring now.
This sums up the whole thing for me very nicely.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 05:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 05:36
The videos on FB are getting really boring now.
This sums up the whole thing for me very nicely.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 04:51
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

This isn't really one of those loud, aggressive rants. This is where I plead people to help me understand something: the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge.

Look, if you want to take a shower, take a shower. There's no need for this meaningless ritual. Don't just go on Facebook and brag about being aware of something. (Want to call me a cynic, fine, that's alright.) Just donate. A donation is enough. I believe if you want to encourage someone to donate, why not show them a video of people who are having a tough time with ALS, see what they are going through exactly? And why does it have to be only ALS? What about other forms of palsy and scleroses, or something else that's health-related?

Am I really missing something here?
It is Social Network Emotional Blackmail. At its lowest level it's insidious and it's not nice. 

The basic message is "do this stupid thing or your friends will think you are selfish". Those that decline will be subjected to mild forms of internet bullying, regardless of how mild and how humorous this emotional blackmail is, it is still bullying.

The challenge itself is a form of chain-letter with a worthy cause attached and that doesn't stop it being wrong. Using peer-pressure and emotional blackmail to raise awareness and gain funds is exactly the same mechanism that propagates chain-letters. Nominating 3 other people for each nomination is perpetuating the chain that in 22 days can nominate every member of the human race, the huge sums of money that have been generated by this challenge are a testament to how effective this form of chain-letter can be. It may seem churlish to criticise a campaign that raises money for a worthy cause such as ALS/MND in this manner but I believe the end does not justify the means.

It has been criticised as an up-market wet T-Shirt contest but frankly from what I've seen that's more wishful thinking than any reality. If watching over-weight men running around a lawn squealing like teenage girls who've seen spider gets you off then go for it.

The ALSA funds stem-cell research - I make no moral judgement on that but some people do. If the message had been "pour a bucket of ice water over your head to raise money for stem-cell research" I suspect considerably fewer people would have participated and certainly none of the c-list celebrities eager for free publicity would have associated themselves with it quite so eagerly. 

The research the ALSA funds inevitably involves vivisection, animal experimentation and animal testing, again I make no moral judgement here, it is impossible to research motor neuron diseases without having a functioning nervous system to experiment on. It is an unpleasant reality for some people but a reality just the same. Pamela Anderson has famously declined the challenge on these grounds and good for her. Animal rights supporter Ricky Gervais was criticised for not taking the challenge, then criticised again when he did - damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The ALSA has countered both these claims by stating that donors can stipulate that their money is not to be used for either of these areas of research but that is an empty promise, if you pay money into a central fund that spends 10% of that on stem-cell research and animal experimentation then 10% of every donation is used for that purpose, it is impossible for it not to. By the same logic it is impossible to donate money to a large charity without paying for the administration costs involved in running it, this includes the salaries of the directors and CEOs of these charities some of whom are paid comparable salaries to the directors and CEOs of any large corporation. However, the major portion of the funds raised go to the care of people suffering from this horrible disease, the importance of this cannot be stressed enough.

Professor Stephen Hawking has suffered with ALS/MND for the past 51 years, I doubt that any able-bodied person can fully comprehend the challenges facing ALS/MND sufferers and the challenges their carers face every day. He supports the Ice Bucket Challenge, he was unable to partake of the challenge because of his health so his children took the challenge for him. 

My view is this:
If you want to get cold, wet and uncomfortable then go stand in the rain for 10 minutes.
If you want to donate money to charity then do so, quietly and without making a big deal out of it.
Don't subject your "friends" to emotional blackmail.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:41
oh. That's a much broader topic and it makes more sense why you're ranting about it. Yeah, we can't do much about human perception and the cognitive process.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:39
^ and ^^ - both of you - interesting points. I understand what you are trying to say about how the IBC works. My concern is about something different: how we, the humans, look at things, how we treat them. That's the direction of my rant - about a thing that none of us can do anything about - fun as the sole stimulation in some of us.
Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

Ok, I also agree with Luna, you're totally free to rant here
You are, but free rant is really a notion on this thread, nothing more. I thought the purpose of this "room" was to b$%ch about issues, not for individuals to s$%t-sling each other.
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Ture, it's perfectly rational to use unnecessary expletives when talking about the virtues of irrationality
Debatable.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:36
Ture, it's perfectly rational to use unnecessary expletives when talking about the virtues of irrationality
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:34
Ok, I also agree with Luna, you're totally free to rant here
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:33
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Is the expletive really that necessary? Reason is great for what it is, yet it's not a solution to everything, though I do feel this IBC trend could be handled in a better thought-out fashion.
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Can't people just feel good and do what their feelings say? The only things that all humans share is anatomy, and that's most of the time.
I really don't know what that has to do with the issue on hand. All I'm saying is: we don't need buckets to raise awareness, nor the appearance of celebrities to use them. You can just talk about how people handle ALS, at the very least.
This ice bucket challenge was not meant as a gift to the people to raise their awareness and knowledge, it was a commercial concept, created by some ALS fund, to gather money to help ALS patients(and themselves a little but that's irrelevant here). Other funds have tried to use different ways to raise funds, but this one just happened to have hit on. Sure, there are probably more moral ways to raise funds or awareness, but people don't care about that so much
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:29
It's the ranting room, so I figured if it would fit anywhere, it would be here.Sorry if you were offended. Issue? I thought the issue you had was those participating weren't doing the most efficient thing by simply donating and therefore making it a waste of time. ie, doing something irrational. I argued that they're people having fun for a good cause and in doing so inspire others to do the same.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:25
^ Is the expletive really that necessary? Reason is great for what it is, yet it's not a solution to everything, though I do feel this IBC trend could be handled in a better thought-out fashion.
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Can't people just feel good and do what their feelings say? The only things that all humans share is anatomy, and that's most of the time.
I really don't know what that has to do with the issue on hand. All I'm saying is: we don't need buckets to raise awareness, nor the appearance of our favorite celebrities who use them. It just looks ridiculous. There has to be a more intelligent way of handling it. You can just talk about how people handle ALS, at the very least.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:20
Why the f**k is rationality so great and the solution to everything? Can't people just feel good and do what their feelings say? The only things that all humans share is anatomy, and that's most of the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 01:11
^ It's not that simple. What does the participation in taking a bucket have to do with donating? They are two different ideas. How does one affect the other? There has to be a more rational, effective way of promoting the idea of donating. "Wow, this is funny watching that guy taking a shower; I'm going to donate." - Who thinks like that? It's almost an insult to our collective intelligence.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - August 30 2014 at 01:16
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