The Mars Volta |
Post Reply | Page <12345 7> |
Author | ||
Tenth Chaffinch
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 22 2006 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 203 |
Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:04 | |
I stated my opinion, I apologise. I thought adults could move on. Apparently Mars Volta fans can't. I pity you. |
||
www.myspace.com/fatherunderground
|
||
Zoso
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:01 | |
With all due respect, which, for you, is very little, I find your statements in this thread to be rather ignorant and distainful. You don't know Meddler. For all you know, he's a musical genius. Don't tell him he knows nothing about music, when he just has a different opinion, which I so happen to agree with. Also, I wasn't aware that I was, "an elitist who really doesn't know much about music or it's theory", as you so stereotypically put it. Thanks for keeping me, and other Mars Volta fans informed about ourselves. |
||
|
||
heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:58 | |
ok rant over. Anyways, people call TMV emo which they obviously arent. Emo is MTV produced overgeneric/formulaic CRAP that has a band a minute and the lyrics are 3rd grade poetry. Call it what you will, I personally like the quirkiness of Omar's (I believe) lyrics, and they DEFINITELY tell a ridiculously elaborate story. So much so that there are arguments on what actually happens. And how does having a different opinion than yours qualify as"not knowing too much about music?" I'm through here. |
||
|
||
The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:52 | |
NO! Read this: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15979&KW=interest for detailed explanation And then my review of FTM: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=72505 |
||
Tenth Chaffinch
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 22 2006 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 203 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:41 | |
Meddler, I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer, you obviously don't know too much about music. I will leave you with your lack of knowledge and conduct my business elsewhere.
|
||
www.myspace.com/fatherunderground
|
||
Meddler
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 29 2005 Location: Massillon Status: Offline Points: 881 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:26 | |
So you're saying that their music is EMO? Care to give a definition of emo music? Wish You Were Here, The Wall, The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place? |
||
Tenth Chaffinch
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 22 2006 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 203 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:09 | |
Their lyrics arent emo. Their lyrics are just nonsensical space fillers added so that the music can have vocals. It's pretty common in music, even King Crimson did it. And believe me, I take a lot of time before I develop an opinion of a groups music. I have listened to a lot of their material and can probably name 10 of their songs that I've heard off hand. It simply strikes me as mediocre, I find it progressive for Emo music but not for Rock in any way. |
||
www.myspace.com/fatherunderground
|
||
RoboVampire
Forum Newbie Joined: November 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:09 | |
I love The Mars Volta and Henry Cow. Two different methods, two different sounds, I like them.
|
||
Lex C
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 11 2006 Status: Offline Points: 246 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:03 | |
Well I am not a music theory Major and yes I see your point that many volta fans come off as being rather arrogant and usually are ignorant, however saying that the Mars Volta are not a musical, is downright wrong. When I first began listening I thought that it was almost all chaos. However giving it several more listens (I started with Frances the Mute By the way) I realized that in the midst of the Chaos there was structure and repetition and consistency that helped the music to flow. As far as everyone saything that they are like pink floyd and King Crimson, well their live performances are very very psychadelic, and Omar has sighted Robert Fripp as a main influence. Finally, with the mars volta being Emo... No just no, had you said that their lyrics take some massive circumlocution to find the meaning, then yes I would agree, but emo just no!; Even I walked away from Frances the Mute saying man I hate Platapus'. |
||
Ghandi 2
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:39 | |
Are too. I can't say I like them all that much, (some parts opf FTM are very good, but then they are ruined by repetition. You only need to listen to the first verse and the chorus of the first 4 songs.) but Cassandra Gemini is most definately prog. It's also the best song on the album, as it has the highest goodness to crap ratio. (only track 9 is boring and unlistenable; the rest is either good or excellent.)
Necro-posting is lame. And you don't want to be lame. Because, duh, it's lame to be lame. :)
|
||
Zac M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:37 | |
How so? |
||
"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty |
||
The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:34 | |
O rly? It was worth reviving this thread to say something this ignorant. Edited by The Miracle - April 22 2006 at 22:35 |
||
Guests
Forum Guest Group |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:32 | |
They Are Not Progressive.
|
||
Tenth Chaffinch
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 22 2006 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 203 |
Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:19 | |
I find Mars volta to be a sub-par band. As a matter of fact I find that The Mars Volta is really just Emo music that has been souped up with annoying electronics, obnoxiously fast riffs that have no real theoretical basis, and an attempt at complex composition ending in cacophonous, out of place, and awkward movements from one part of the song to the next. Their scene/audience also seems to be a bunch of Elitists who really don't know much about music or its theory.
A lot of people I've met that are Volta fans seem to try to make themselves look like they are educated at music theory, when in reality they are mostly simple-minded and couldnt appreciate music such as Henry Cow or Slapp Happy, whose passages have conceptual meaning and (while not always ear pleasing) blend together very cohesively, a staple of their talent and chemistry as musicians.
|
||
www.myspace.com/fatherunderground
|
||
AfanSpur
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 03 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 204 |
Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:23 | |
Sorry , see post above.
Edited by AfanSpur |
||
There stands Olias to outward to build a ship
Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
||
AfanSpur
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 03 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 204 |
Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:12 | |
Deep frozen Deep phreeze said which means i have contradicted that post in mine above this. I am shocked at that but then again in the show i saw there were about 2000 supplicants who raised the roof in awe whilst there were 20 or so disgruntled concert goers who left during the long Cassandra Gemmini. After speaking to fans before and after it was clear that there were different types of fans at the concert. 1. At the Drive in Fans, Of course with no ATDI to listen to then TMV is the next best thing. For some it was an easy transition but for others they could not adjust to the fact that ATDI no longer exist, and were resentful. (i felt similar when i saw Trevor Horn replace Anderson in Yes, but eventually got over it) 2. Alternative radio listeners who were aware of ATDI and/or had heard the two (that were in rotation to support the tour) Mars Volta singles on the radio. While most were awestruck it was obvious during the longer sections that they were not used to this. The whole audience stood in a seated venue and during the quiet sections they still stood and only fatigue sent them to their seats only for them to jump up the moment the pace changed, Youngsters certainly lack patience. What alternative band would you see seated? For my part i yearned to sit because TMV are a headphone band, one where you can sit back and take it all in (Like Yes, Sigur Ros etc). 3. Alternative listeners who had heard a little prog and were tentatively open to being converted. I stood next to a group in the bar who had heard of Pink Floyd from their dads collection or from FM radio etc. They had not heard of the bands on this site. They were very keen to find out more. Obviously TMV are a gateway band into prog. 4 Prog lovers like myself who let it be said were in the minority. maybe there other sub groups but really TMV are unusual in prog because they have brought a ready made audience with them from ATDI days. Some are happy and others are disgruntled. Others like me who have come fromthe prog angle are very happy to see such a new and eciting marriage of alternative punkish sounds with traditional prog moods. Then of course there are the prog diehards who refuse to accept this bratish set of upstarts. Add your own take on this
|
||
There stands Olias to outward to build a ship
Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
||
Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:03 | |
You seem to have entirely missed my sarcasm.
|
||
Pure Brilliance:
|
||
DeepPhreeze
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 02 2006 Status: Offline Points: 261 |
Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:01 | |
No they aren't. If anything, Muse is. |
||
Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:50 | |
But they are holding the torch for the entire future of prog, don't you GET IT???!!?!? |
||
Pure Brilliance:
|
||
chamberry
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:44 | |
that pretty much sums it up |
||
|
||
Post Reply | Page <12345 7> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |