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I woul drather say that at medium level, the image pushes the wall. Although i need to optimize more to "push the walls" more. (Power optimization in my case).

It's hard to describe, but ther's so much dynamic and the image is so large that i'm at the heart of the sound (3D effect). On Cd moreover.

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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

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To breathe...slowly...calm down

So your system makes the walls shake at low volume?
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

No! dynamic!

When you have a system with a high dynamic range, the only way to really put that range to use is to crank up the volume. That's why most modern 5.1 systems designed for DVD playback normally offer a way to reduce the dynamics (compressor), because otherwise you wouldn't be able to watch an action movie at normal volume level and still be able to hear dialogs.
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oh yes and what does "push walls" actually mean?
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i would not claim that audiophile products are necissarily overpriced
boxxes of magic . it just appears like there is very little scientific evidence
to back claims up furthermore i think another question to ask would be :
how "accurate" are your ears in collecting the sound produced by your
system? what factors alter the sound? should you voraciously clean your
ears before each listen to get the best sound!!?

it all seems a bit religious to me.
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throughout the whole process of recording a record i beleive that the
accuracy of the recording and editing hardware and software will be the
limiting factor . so if the aim of being an audiophile is faithful
reproduction then surely that is not possible due to problems at the
recording stage.

that was really a question not a statement!
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No! dynamic!
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

It can't "push walls" as mine does...

Now that's definitely a mere question of volume.

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It can't "push walls" as mine does...
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^ the problem is that you (or audiophiles in general) say that my system "cannot" sound good. On the otherhand I've yet to meet a sceptic who says that audiophile systems "cannot" sound good. On the contrary ... I'm sure that 99% of all sceptics would agree that these systems sound great!
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...try to remain cool



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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

The small difference is for example the difference between a vague buzzing as a bass line on one side, and a powerful, bass line where you can hear and feel each note in your body, and as if the bass player is in the room. The difference between a harsh and confuse highs where there are instruments missing and clear, transparent highs with moving voices, violins or trumpets for example.

That is mainly a question of volume and speaker diameter (sound pressure). The cheap Logitech 5.1 system that I bought a few weeks ago has an amazing presence and brilliance ... you actually hear much more detail than with my old (and not cheap) Harman-Kardon hi-fi system. I know that you don't like both of these ... but let me assure you that neither of them produces "vague buzzing" for bass lines. And together with the X-Fi Crystalizer (which is essentially doing what musical CD players do to the signal) there are also no problems in the "highs". Sure, a system that costs 100 times more will sound better. but not 100 times better!

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


If some people -audiophiles- manage to have nice highs -thanks to tube amps mostly-, very few optmize enough to manage to reach a powerful and dynamic low. To reach that, power and vibration cancelling optimization is essential.

As you see, despite your painful comments, i remain cool and phlegmatic as i have new responsabily on this site and so i must show the good example...

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The small difference is for example the difference between a vague buzzing as a bass line on one side, and a powerful, bass line where you can hear and feel each note in your body, and as if the bass player is in the room. The difference between a harsh and confuse highs where there are instruments missing and clear, transparent highs with moving voices, violins or trumpets for example.
If some people -audiophiles- manage to have nice highs -thanks to tube amps mostly-, very few optmize enough to manage to reach a powerful and dynamic low. To reach that, power and vibration cancelling optimization is essential.

As you see, despite your painful comments, i remain cool and phlegmatic as i have new responsabilies on this site and so i must show the good example...




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All that matters for me is:

  • You can enjoy music on any system - analog/digital, crappy/expensive, doesn't matter
  • It's much more important WHAT you play, not what you play it ON
  • Audiophiles resent listening tests more than sceptics ... this shows that the difference cannot be that great. If it was, a listening test would not pose any problem. So why bother spending a lot of cash on a very small difference (if it exists at all)?
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2006 at 01:26
Originally posted by the man machine the man machine wrote:

Sorry to put it bluntly, but it would appear that oliverstoned has fallen
aprey to the marketing (Lies.) spread by companies and perpetuated by
the audiophile.



As bluntly, it seems that you don't know what you're talking about and never heard what a good system can do (not necessarly very expensive).
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check this out
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/Musketeer%20III/
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Sorry to put it bluntly, but it would appear that oliverstoned has fallen
aprey to the marketing (Lies.) spread by companies and perpetuated by
the audiophile.

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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:04
Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Hi AllManyu thanks for your posts. I finally went for a B&W combination of CM1 with a ASW675 subwoofer. An excellent combination for my lounge. I home tested a few other combos but this set up gave me good all round sound.So its B&W before 9.00 pm and Sennheiser HD600 afterMind you the old walls began to vibrate playing Threshold - Wounded Land. I enjoyed it though<!--
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You probably have to set down the cut freq and the volume.
The low must be tensed and not exagerated!

When the setting is well, you must not hear the sub's precense.

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^ Consign to Oblivion should be a good test drive for your speakers ... excellent production!
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