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Bj-1 
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 Posted: May 08 2006 at 19:18 |
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Just bought their first two albums (in a "2-in-1" kinda' box) and I must say that that's VERY good stuff! The Genesis influence is clearly there, but thy doesn't directly rip'em. I recommend those two albums for a starting point. Try to get the "2-in-1" version.
Edited by Bj-1 - May 08 2006 at 19:18
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Posted: May 08 2006 at 19:13 |
I used to be impressed by the Flower Kings, and other bands like Ayreon and Spock's Beard, but that's because I wasn't really *listening* to the classics.. neo-prog has the advantage of the easier hook and for a while I was caught. However I can't stand to listen to any of them anymore; each so happy, so ludicrous in places, irritatingly glib and religious in others and all with entire albums of filler dressed up as epics. I can't believe I was so stupid. 
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TOD KREMER
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Posted: May 08 2006 at 18:49 |
Not fair to put anyone besides Yes up against Genesis. I just listened to the Flower King's "Alive From Planet Earth" and was completely blown away. Unlike alot of the Neo Prog (full of MM), there are actual songs here! If they are trying to be retro, I guess it's working (perhaps it is the familiarity that I am subconsciously responding to). It is hands down, the best prog album I have heard since the 70's and no one is more surprised than I am. T
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Velvetclown
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 05:01 |
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BiGi
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 04:59 |
 ghostdog wrote:
No weak albums? Adam and Eve is mostly terrible. That bit about the porn
star in the title track. Laughable. Prog cheese at its stinkiest.
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I disagree wholeheartedly!
IMHO Adam and Eve is TFK's best work since Space Revolver (although it is not as good)
In particular, it stands tall and proud when put side to side with Unfold the future, which is almost completely forgettable save for the wonderful opening track The truth will set you free and a couple of other excerpts
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A flower?
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Progger
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 18:48 |
maribor wrote:
No way.
They have totally forgetable hooks, no really good melodies and don't get me started on the lyrics.
The playing is good however but that's not enough.
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yOU ARE OBVIOUSLY REFERRING TO gENESIS
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maribor
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 18:17 |
No way.
They have totally forgetable hooks, no really good melodies and don't get me started on the lyrics.
The playing is good however but that's not enough.
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Progger
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:56 |
limeyrob wrote:
Sorry folks I haven't heard any album by the Flower Kings. Perhaps I ought to start. What do you suggest to begin with? Please don't say their best one as I won't have anything to build up to. Something in the middle, eh! |
Anything up to and including 'Space Revolver' [probably their best] but anything after I was dissapointed with, although they do include at least one enjoyable epic!
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limeyrob
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:33 |
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Sorry folks I haven't heard any album by the Flower Kings. Perhaps I ought to start. What do you suggest to begin with? Please don't say their best one as I won't have anything to build up to. Something in the middle, eh!
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ghostdog
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 14:59 |
Zitro wrote:
I never imagined myself saying this, but I think the
Flower kings grown so much on me that I like them more than Yes (my
previous #1 band), now I like them as much as Genesis and only Pink
Floyd and Led Zeppelin are more enjoyable (and barely).
This band has everything I want: Consistency, a discography with no
weak albums, very few weak tracks, Beautiful atmospherics that surpasses
70s yes (because of the modern technology), Good epics, a guitarist as
complete as Steve Howe who has a neat bluesy vocal style, A great bass
player that reminds me of David Lebon (Seru Giran), and some of the best
percussion I've heard. The keyboardist is my least favourite member (after
the new bass player and the drummers came), but he still manages to
sound great most of the time. His album "I AM" is pretty good.
I wish this band would get more recognition. It has the virtuosity of Yes
and the beauty of Genesis. I also like the general happy tone of it. It
sounds like Progged-up beatles in the first albums.
Sometimes, they amaze me when they get influenced. "The World of
Adventures" which is clearly influenced by the beatles sound as good as
the beatles best songs. Rumble Twist Fish is clearly influenced by Camel,
and it sounds better than anything Camel did.
By the way, in "hummanizmo" (one of my favourite epic from Roine by
the way) has 2 things that just blow me away : The church organ riffary +
"THIS IS THE NIGHT" and when the epic is about to end ... I hear an
awesome wail from Roine. Trust me, it puts the dude from Pain of
Salvation to shame.
Anyways, I'll stop rambling.
Flower Kings ---> Prog Kings.
I should edit my reviews as I like them much more as before.
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No weak albums? Adam and Eve is mostly terrible. That bit about the porn
star in the title track. Laughable. Prog cheese at its stinkiest.
Seriously dude, it's great that you love the Flower Kings, as they have
some enjoyable records, but they are not even in the same class as Yes or
Genesis of the 70's, let alone the Beatles.
A certain degree of objectivity is needed here.
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Ironing Mike
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 03:15 |
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The Flower Kings are as good as The Flower Kings.
IM
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It's a rainy day, sunshine girl
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 02:23 |
Bluesaga wrote:
Yeah, some TFK songs are filler, but I can't think of a band that don't have at least one filler track. Hell, the latter-era Genesis had entire ALBUMS of filler.
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please tell me what later Genesis album was entirely filler?
They never made an album without a few redeeming tracks, sans CAS.
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Mikerinos
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 00:03 |
Yes. Pretty much all songs by The Flower Kings to me are at least good. Then they have those select songs on each album are absolutely FANTASTIC. You can take the fantastic ones, put them all together and have the same amount of material as early Genesis (Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England, The Lamb).... except better. Then you have enough left over tracks to make quite a few solid albums. Yeah, some TFK songs are filler, but I can't think of a band that don't have at least one filler track. Hell, the latter-era Genesis had entire ALBUMS of filler.
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Zitro
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 23:27 |
Wow, Lots of positive replies! 
Yes and Genesis were more groundbraking, but I still find The Flower Kings as one of the most creative bands around today (Mars Volta is easily the winner on that though (Weird stuff)). I also love how diverse they are. Not to forget, the Symphonic sound is phenomenal. It sounds like there are 10 musicians playing at the same time.
I understand Christianopel as pointless, but Rumble Fish Twist? That's one of their best songs! How can the gorgeous 2nd half be pointless? 
The next album is released that soon and is a double album? uhhh, that doesn't look too good  . They should use more time, or they could end up with another RainMaker.
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cuncuna
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 22:55 |
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First of all, Genesis is a very old band, with an incredible sound given the time in wich they started. So, they will allways win, just because of that. The Flower Kings... too much noise.
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Tales
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 19:58 |
I LIKE BOTH BANDS BUT WOULD PREFER TO LISTEN TO A 'BEST OF ' FLOWERKINGS ALBUM THAN A 'BEST OF' GENESIS ALBUM.
SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE FLOWERKINGS ARE BETTER THAN GENESIS....JUST!
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ProgShine
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 07:52 |
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Since I bought Adam & Eve i agree with this, together with the 70's band, The Flower Kings is the only band that put together the 70's and the today.
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Oxygen Waster
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 01:48 |
I pesonally think that The Flower Kings are alot better than Genesis.
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Thufir Hawat
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 00:59 |
The Flower Kings have a more modern sound
(obviously) but never the less I like The Flower
Kings better.
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Progger
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 00:21 |
The one thing that both bands certainly have in common is that all their albums are a mixture of mediocricity and genius. I think the Flowerkings just about have the edge over Genesis though overall!
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