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MikeEnRegalia 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21633 |
 Posted: January 07 2006 at 09:56 |
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Maybe we could also force people to select a country ... if someone from Brazil writes a review in broken english, I'm sure that nobody would mind the errors.
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Ricochet
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 09:40 |
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but...disliking the band/album usually justifies the 1* star rating... 
(abuse within quote removed by admin) Edited by Easy Livin |
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Ray Lomas
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 187 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 09:39 |
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I agree with reducing the impact of ratings without review. I think many people who come from non-english speaking countries are too shy in using english. And a lot of these people seem to write better english than some americans. I
think it doesn't matter that much if there are some grammar errors. If
you understand the main reasons why someone likes/doesn't like an
album, it's OK.I think it would also be OK, if reviews usings different language than english would be accepted. But that would also mean that there has to be moderators who can understand that language. |
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henri_ds
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Joined: April 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 81 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 09:04 |
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I'm totally for it. Enough of the people who put 1 star on every album of one band just because they hate the band. (Abuse removed by admin) Edited by Easy Livin |
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JayDee
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VIP Member Joined: September 07 2005 Location: Elysian Fields Status: Offline Points: 10063 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 07:52 |
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i voted yes
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W.Chuck
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Joined: October 27 2005 Status: Offline Points: 606 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 07:10 |
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What's the admins opinion about NOT COUNTING them?
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 06:43 |
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The English only rule is for practical purposes. We do not have moderators for other languages. From what I know of M@X's views, he is strongly committed to continuing to make the site as inclusive as possible. I do not therefore believe ratings without reviews will be banned. Taking that as a given, it's a question of coming up with the best ways of allowing them to be accepted, while addressing many of the members legitimate concerns about manipulative ratings. Options are reducing their "value" in the calculations, showing separate averages for ratings only reviews etc. What's the preference? Are there other options? |
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W.Chuck
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Joined: October 27 2005 Status: Offline Points: 606 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 05:09 |
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I think it should be allowed to write in your own language! People who interest for an album could read reviews in english, spanish, italian, french, german...! You still have the english reviews and some in other languages, for the people who can't really understand english very well-THEY SHOULD BE INFORMED TOO-! |
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NotAProghead
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Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7974 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 00:29 |
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As I see here, you write in English better than some American guys. |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Lateralus_66
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 03 2005 Location: Fiji Status: Offline Points: 118 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 00:04 |
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There are ratings and “ratings”, there are reviews and “reviews” and there are stats and “stats”. Hence, “everything is relative”. The principal component on the algorithm is the visitor. Visitors are the real customer of this web site, and they deserve clear and plausible stats. Eventually, they have the last word in order to purchase music. For instance; I wouldn’t buy THE MARS VOLTA’s “Frances the Mute”, even though it has been confirmed as PA’s “Top 5 Albums Of 2005”.
 Like I mentioned before … “Everything is relative”. Consequently, I didn’t vote in this poll, although I do care…
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"A mind is like a parachute. It does'nt work if it's not open." - Frank Zappa
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R_DeNIRO
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 17 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 431 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 22:33 |
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I wrote a few reviews, but not all I wanted. The problem: language. I'm not able to make a good review in English, so I voted a lot of albums without reviewing them. That's the reason I say "No" in the poll. I would vote "Yes" if I could write reviews in my own language, I know this is problematic, or almost imposible, but I think it has good points too. A lot of people I know don't enter in the site because it's all in english, the majority of members of the web write in English (there is a lot of American guys), so I think there wiil not be a great problem some of the reviews in Spanish or any other language.
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We were always be much human than we whish to be.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 21:57 |
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Check this names:
Look at the polls you'll find that there's a Yes fan who probably has an Internet Café because even in the single option polls you find up to 1,400 votes when only 150 persons read the poll. Look at : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17053& amp;KW=Ivan%5F2068 299 votes for The Yes Album, there are not 50% of habitual members in the forum. Don't be naive, people love to manipulate. Iván
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W.Chuck
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Joined: October 27 2005 Status: Offline Points: 606 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 18:13 |
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I think the algorithm is quite good and it doesn't have to be changed, it is usefull and not senseless.
Furthermore, I don't think rating with 1*, e.g. those of Images&Words, shouldn't be deleted. It is just a guess to say that everyone of those people hates DT, don't forget, so much you and other people love the album, other opinions are different! I said it before (when I noticed the admins won't delete all the rating-only-reviews) that those ratings simply couln't be counted! I have nothing against the possibility, so everyone, who is not able to write an english review or is simply to lazy can still go one giving rating without writing a review, but at least abusing would have been stopped! But keep in mind, do you consider it as fair if there are people, who use their FREE-TIME to write a review to inform the other people about and album and others write nothing and give it a rating only? I like the idea with translators, Trotsky mentioned, but it's hard to get people doing it free! |
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horza
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Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 09:56 |
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ratings are opinions - if i want to check out details pertaining to an album i read a mix of reveiws
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21633 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 09:44 |
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That's not possible. Who should decide which ratings are to be deleted? Either remove them all, or remove none. OR change the algorithm (see below).
Why give them any weight at all? As long as a rating without review has any effect on the ranking, people will file these ratings in order to manipulate the ranking. The only way to stop this is to remove the effect on the ranking. |
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Fitzcarraldo
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1835 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 07:16 |
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Who was it who originally suggested that ratings without an accompanying review should be allowed but excluded from the calculation of the Top 100? Seems a good idea. Those who cannot write a review or do not want to write a review can still leave their 'vote' for all to see on an album's page. But it would not influence the Top 100.
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Phil
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Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 07:09 |
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Maybe I'm too naive, but I can't see why anyone would want to submit a
rating, with or without a review, solely for the purpose of
manipulating the Top 100 in some way..c'mon folks, get real......
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cold103
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Joined: April 12 2005 Location: California, USA Status: Offline Points: 297 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 07:00 |
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Well, I voted no because I rate albums and don't write a review most of
the time. Even just 50 albums is a lot to write reviews on. I respect
everyone's views though.
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Bj-1
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31646 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 06:18 |
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Agree! Plus deleting some of the current 1* rating on some albums (like all those on DT's 'Images & Words' for example. I believe that 80% of those ratings are from active DT-Haters)
That is also an excellent idea! Edited by Bj-1 |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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razifa
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Joined: June 21 2005 Location: Costa Rica Status: Offline Points: 224 |
Posted: January 06 2006 at 03:05 |
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I have nothing against rating-only-reviewers but I disagree the algorithm of calculation. I Think there should be an algorithm that give a higher weight to those who write a coherent review, and penalize the rating-only-reviewer giving them a lower weight on the result.
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