Lists with a twist!

I had some surreal moments with Pink Floyd on the stereo.. whether DSOTM minus Money... or The Division Bell... ELP's Trilogy is another favorite.. except sometimes it makes me cry.. and that can be a mood stopper..

There is also a few non-prog albums I like for this purpose... Sting's Brand New Day with "A Thousand Years" and "Desert Rose"... great!

Loreena McKennitt's Book of Secrets.. thats very nice also as well as Hooverphonic's Blue Wonder Power Milk...

Dick Heath wrote: richardh wrote: Pink Floyd = 'brain'   Strange I always thought of the best period Floyd as being brains heavily under the influence of LSD* , and the latter period as musicians filling bank accounts with LSD+.   BTW here,  LSD* doesn't =  LSD+

But Waters is on record as saying that the band were aware of this - they'd struggled many a (Dark Sided) Moon to make the latter LSD, and suddenly they hit the jackpot - ironically breaking through in the US thanks to a single which was lyrically against the very stuff!.

Did they keep it and be everything they were against, or enjoy the riches they'd worked so hard to achieve? The follow-up album was so obviously a message to their former colleage who did have too much of the former LSD.

The answer was (as far as my research has shown, but someone else probably knows better!) that Floyd threw the majority of their LSD into the amazing shows they put on - I understand that "The Wall" nearly wiped them out (although it probably reaped a huge Harvest, so we needn't feel too sorry!).

Anyway, by the time Dark Side of the Moon was released, Britain had gone decimal

James Lee wrote: richardh wrote: ELP= 'sex' I can think of at least one person who will second that

I SECOND THAT !!!!!

The Large Bowl wrote: It seems to me that some of you play right into the hands of those that would sneer at prog rock.

Simply, I can't care less of what SOME people thinks about my tastes and opinions, even if they believe it's just "nonsense".

I am sure enough of what I like, so I don't care if people laugh at my taste.

This po-faced attitude just makes you sound like nerds.

Why do you react like this when you don't agree with someone? Again I don't take offense because I have the greatest of respect for so called nerds, I used to bother them at school, but most nerds are people who know what they are talking about.

I have been listening to prog develop since 1971, some of the albums I have derided used to be big favourites but sound almost ridiculous now. Rick Wakeman is my hero, his Yes stuff still exhilerates me now, but the King Arthur, Journey To The Centre Of The Earth stuff is almost cringe-inducing to listen to.

What, have King Arthur or Journey to the Centre of the Earth changed through the years?

I believe the notes of Journey to the Centre of the Earth are exactly the same today than in the 70's, quality remains, perspective of the listener and fashion is what changes. To be honest I haven't changed my perspective and never cared for musical fashion.

I have seen ELP live umpteen times in the 70's and they were awesome.

I only saw ELP once in 1999 and still they were awesome. 15,000 souls who were at the same show (record for a small city as Lima) thought like me, maybe the nerds bought all the tickets.

That nonesense about Mussorgsky is just patronising, and makes you sound like a character in "Spinal Tap"! No doubt if ELP released a skiffle version of Beethoven's 5th you'd blame that on Beethoven

Won't answer your "nonesesnce" quote, it's not worth

If you take your time and read a bit of history you'll notice that  Pictures at an Exhibition was considered pompous in all Europe when released and it's still pompous.

Please read my whole quote about Pictures:

2. ELP is a pompous band (though they can be lyrical and romantic sometimes), and that's probably what I like most of them.
3. Prog' Rock is a pompous genre.

Numbers 2 and 3 clearly express that I accept ELP and in general Prog' Rock are pompous.

I'm not afraid of the word pompous, at least for some of us pompous music is much better than plain and simple commercial music, that's a matter of personal taste.

The funny thing is that you are criticizing prog' music with exactly the same arguments magazines as Rolling Stones use, they call pompous and self indulgent to describe everything that's not mainstream.

and yes clever clogs we all know Mussorgsky was an inveterate drunk

What's your point?

Iván

richardh wrote: ELP= 'sex'

I can think of at least one person who will second that

James Lee wrote: Every type of music has an element of the ridiculous- human nature almost requires it. Whatever music you like can be attacked (pointlessly) on those grounds. Prog's particular silliness just happens to be out of style (hence the 'cool' definition). If you don't care for pompous music, that's a matter of taste; if you imply that pomposity (or any other element of human expression) has no place in music, you're unlikely to have your opinions taken seriously. Simply making music at all- the hubris to get up and say "listen to me, I have something worth hearing"- requires an act of pomposity on the part of the artist. I don't think a factual and accurate reference to Mussorgsky can be termed "nonesense", no matter how you spell it; in addition, the Russian composer dedicated himself to bringing art to "the masses" and would have likely appreciated the concept (if not the form) of bringing "Pictures" to a rock audience. I've done my share of criticizing the pretentious leanings of prog acts; it's a useless point to make. 'Ideal' music will never happen or has yet to be created, so in the meantime, ask yourself: Would you prefer great music with a few obvious shortcomings or mediocre music with no faults?

I am just saying that you could see the point of the argument about the over-blown nature of some of this work and the fact that tastes move on.

and yes clever clogs we all know Mussorgsky was an inveterate drunk

ivan_2068 wrote: All quoted sections from Reed Lover post: 2.Pictures At An Exhibition. (puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.) Pictures at an Exhibition (By Modest Mussorgski) is one of the peaks of the Nationalist late Romantic/early Modern Russian Classical Period, it was created to be pompous because MUSSORGSKI tried to express the proud he was about Russia and it's music in comparison with the rest of Europe. You can't blame ELP for what Mussorgski did. ELP is a pompous band (though they can be lyrical and romantic sometimes), and that's probably what I like most of them. Prog' Rock is a pompous genre. So, What do you expected? 4.Relayer (Patrick Moraz-bah!) Patrick Moraz Bah????? I believe he's in the same level of the best keyboardist, some time try to watch the Yes at QPR DVD, the guy is spectacular and has a perfect style. 5. Larks Tongues In Aspic (makes Angelwitch sound musical) King Crimson is not my cup of tea, but LTIA is a classic album, probably the best KC released after ITCOCK. 6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth (just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!) I'm starting to believe you have something against keyboardists, if you don't like pompous music, then Prog' is not the genre for you. 7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur.. (and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!) You can say you don't like this album, it's your opinion, but calling it garbage is way too much. 8.And Then There Were Three (the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves) I don't like Collins as vocalist (He also breaks my nerves), but to deny he's one of the best drummers is against reason. Anyway, I hate this album too. 9.Tubular Bells (about as cool as Oxford Bags) Taken from Merrian-Webster Online Cool: FASHIONABLE 1 <not happy with the new shoes... because they were not cool -- Celestine Sibley> Fashionable: conforming to the custom, fashion , or established mode Prog' is, was and will never be cool, prog' is intelligent, elaborated and complex, just the opposite of cool. Rap, Pop, Hip Hop and Dance can be considered cool music (By those who like this genres) because it's fashion. Prog was never a fashion and in no way it's a genre conforming to the custom, in other ways Prog Rock is the opposite of cool, proggers usually are unpopular, the genre is too hard to understand to be considered cool. Agree 100% with Threefates question DO YOU LIKE PROG ROCK???! Iván

It seems to me that some of you play right into the hands of those that would sneer at prog rock. This po-faced attitude just makes you sound like nerds. I have been listening to prog develop since 1971, some of the albums I have derided used to be big favourites but sound almost ridiculous now. Rick Wakeman is my hero, his Yes stuff still exhilerates me now, but the King Arthur, Journey To The Centre Of The Earth stuff is almost cringe-inducing to listen to.I have seen ELP live umpteen times in the 70's and they were awesome. That nonesense about Mussorgsky is just patronising, and makes you sound like a character in "Spinal Tap"! No doubt if ELP released a skiffle version of Beethoven's 5th you'd blame that on Beethoven>

What I feel are prog masterpieces... and I'm sure you won't be surprised... thats why I haven't done this yet... but

1. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
2. ELP - Tarkus
3. ELP - Trilogy
4. King Crimson:  ITCOTCK
5. Pink Floyd - Animals
6. Pink Floyd - Division Bell
7. Yes - Close to the Edge
8. ELP - ELP
9. ELP - PAAE
10. Yes - The Yes Album

Underrated:

1. Jon Anderson - Olias of Sunhillow
2. Gryphon - Red Queen to Gryphon Three
3. Renaissance - Ashes are Burning
4. Pink Floyd -  AMLOR
5. David Gilmour - David Gilmour
6. Alan Parsons Project - Try Anything Once
7. ELP - Works 1
8. Strawbs - Ghosts
9. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
10. Alan Parsons Project - I Robot

All quoted sections from Reed Lover post:

2.Pictures At An Exhibition. (puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.)

1. Pictures at an Exhibition (By Modest Mussorgski) is one of the peaks of the Nationalist late Romantic/early Modern Russian Classical Period, it was created to be pompous because MUSSORGSKI tried to express the proud he was about Russia and it's music in comparison with the rest of Europe. You can't blame ELP for what Mussorgski did.
2. ELP is a pompous band (though they can be lyrical and romantic sometimes), and that's probably what I like most of them.
3. Prog' Rock is a pompous genre.

So, What do you expected?

4.Relayer (Patrick Moraz-bah!)

Patrick Moraz Bah????? I believe he's in the same level of the best keyboardist, some time try to watch the Yes at QPR DVD, the guy is spectacular and has a perfect style.

5. Larks Tongues In Aspic (makes Angelwitch sound musical)

King Crimson is not my cup of tea, but LTIA is a classic album, probably the best KC released after ITCOCK.

6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth (just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!)

I'm starting to believe you have something against keyboardists, if you don't like pompous music, then Prog' is not the genre for you.

7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur.. (and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!)

You can say you don't like this album, it's your opinion, but calling it garbage is way too much.

8.And Then There Were Three (the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves)

I don't like Collins as vocalist (He also breaks my nerves), but to deny he's one of the best drummers is against reason. Anyway, I hate this album too.

9.Tubular Bells (about as cool as Oxford Bags)

Taken from Merrian-Webster Online

Cool: FASHIONABLE 1 <not happy with the new shoes... because they were not cool -- Celestine Sibley> Fashionable: conforming to the custom, fashion , or established mode

Prog' is, was and will never be cool, prog' is intelligent, elaborated and complex, just the opposite of cool. Rap, Pop, Hip Hop and Dance can be considered cool music (By those who like this genres) because it's fashion.

Prog was never a fashion and in no way it's a genre conforming to the custom, in other ways Prog Rock is the opposite of cool, proggers usually are unpopular, the genre is too hard to understand to be considered cool.

Agree 100% with Threefates question DO YOU LIKE PROG ROCK???!

Iván

Reed Lover wrote: Most Overrated Prog Albums: 1.The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. (lyrical twaddle, not enough music, the Emperors New Clothes comes to mind.) 2.Pictures At An Exhibition. (puts the pompous in pomp.This album is 100% drivel although not as embarrassing as the track Pirates on Works.) 3.Misplaced Childhood (Side 2 is rubbish,no other way to describe it really,especially as side 1 is sublime) 4.Relayer (Patrick Moraz-bah!) 5. Larks Tongues In Aspic (makes Angelwitch sound musical) 6. Journey To The Centre Of The Earth (just as God was about to rest on the 7th day, he wrote this and blew it!) 7. Myths And legends Of King Arthur.. (and then only trundled on for an 8th day and came up with this garbage!) 8.And Then There Were Three (the poison dwarf on drums, vocals and my nerves) 9.Tubular Bells (about as cool as Oxford Bags) 10.2112 (sublime rock album, but about as prog as Iron Maiden...

Do you like prog rock??!