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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2024 at 15:37

^ Romantic Warrior wasn't either quite apolitical, which can be seen in this excerpt from a poem entitled "The Romantic Warrior", 
written by Neville Potter and included as a part of the album's artwork :

Pick up the gauntlet warriors
sheath your swords put up your trusty lance
channel the power used to crush every foe
into giving the future a chance

Believe in yourselves old warriors bold
create a path so firm and sure
fight for the birth of the freedom of man
the end of this medieval overture.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2024 at 14:57
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote All of the top albums in the "Progressive" history have some form of politics in it

Except for: Close to the Edge, Fragile, The Yes Album, The Snow Goose, Ommadawn, Romantic Warrior, Häxan, Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, Rock Bottom, In A Silent Way, A Drop of Light, Viljans Öga, Voyage of the Acolyte, Hamburger Concerto, Of Queues and Cures, K.A (Köhntarkösz Anteria)

And that's just the PA top 100. ;)

According to Edward Macan's Rocking the Classics, Yes wasn't directly political but they were very utopian, as they more than any other major Progressive Rock band stressed the belief that drawing of the wisdom of ages is the key to breaking out of our cycle of social strife and entering a new period of cosmic awareness; which is not least evident in for instance the suite Close to the Edge, and which also was hoped to convey the progress from gross materialism to spiritual awareness (1997, p. 80, 81).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 18:48
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
I think the issue here would be something that the Admins are, possibly, not doing ... and the part that makes things "dour" for me, is seeing many Admins actually participate in many of those discussions,  (...)
This looks as if you don't know who is admin and who isn't.

Hi,

I think these days you folks are much more careful than previously ... I, personally, do not care if any Admin participates or not, but I imagine that we would expect them to be some kind of traffic force, and hopefully things can work and no "accidents".

Again, the politics is not the issue for me ... the attitude is. And I think we need to make sure we know and understand that. ... and the other option is to remove the postings ... and make it clear to that person that the attitude is not appreciated, and is in the incorrect location for his/her posting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 15:30
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I remember when this place was chaos and it was fun. No trolling though but at times it got pretty heated.

It's up to the admins ultimately what they should and should not allow.


yesss, the first few years were a wild free-for-all and it was immensely fun. ClownHug

Maani (a priest at that) was the only active admin and he had a total laissez-faire attitude

But there was plenty of trolling, but generally, it was expressed in the Mariah Carey and the successive Velvet Rooms threads - I'm sure the site woud gain some loading page rapidity if we (M@X) were to delete these threads.



Unfortunately the planet has changed since and taken a wrong turn. 
I hate the fact that we can't discuss anything anymore in here without WW3 ignition countdown starting, but sadly I went along with the political topic ban.


I would like to thank PP for obeying the ultimatum given of staying away from these topics, because we gained a few years of freedom. i wish others would've kept their promise upon their return from ban.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 14:31
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Should PA have political discussions? It's up to the mods.
That said, if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions... don't respond or read the political thread.  Just ignore it.  It's that simple[IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink[/IMG[/DIV

It's not if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions, it's if you do.Personally I can't stand politics, on the other hand it's an important matter in these troubled times and I'm not gonna ignore some misled authoritarian crap if it should be addressed and pushed up against most firmly.
The bigger problem is that those of us who have worked hard to build up the site, (hundreds of reviews, plus album and band additions, and genre definitions) don't want people using the platform we have built for pushing their propaganda. Often times, those on here pushing propaganda the most are people who have never contributed to the site.
In a recent 'political discussion' one of our better known free-loaders accused Mirakaze of being "bathroom phobic". Mirakaze is one of the best and most productive members on this site. Its unfortunate that someone who does not contribute is being given a platform to insult those that do contribute.

That is problematic, and unfortunate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 14:13
Biden has issued a statement that he will step down at the end of this term.   The question now is who will replace his candidacy.   Kamala probably best but Gretchen Whitmer would also be good, Newsom not so much IMO.

Biden is great patriot and unafraid to do the right thing.   Though sad, it will add much needed enthusiasm and dynamic to the Democrats.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 09:21
Oops! My bad. Yeah, forgot about YiND.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 09:02
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote All of the top albums in the "Progressive" history have some form of politics in it


Except for: (...) The Yes Album (...)

I don't know about the other ones but this definitely isn't true; "Yours Is No Disgrace" is a protest song against the Vietnam War and contains one of Jon Anderson's least opaque set of lyrics from that period of the band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 08:11
Quote All of the top albums in the "Progressive" history have some form of politics in it


Except for: Close to the Edge, Fragile, The Yes Album, The Snow Goose, Ommadawn, Romantic Warrior, Häxan, Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, Rock Bottom, In A Silent Way, A Drop of Light, Viljans Öga, Voyage of the Acolyte, Hamburger Concerto, Of Queues and Cures, K.A (Köhntarkösz Anteria)

And that's just the PA top 100. ;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 07:14
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
I think the issue here would be something that the Admins are, possibly, not doing ... and the part that makes things "dour" for me, is seeing many Admins actually participate in many of those discussions,  (...)
This looks as if you don't know who is admin and who isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 05:35
Mirakaze is one of the most chill and rational thinking users on this site! I might be biased tho, because I'm from the same generation as her. ;P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 05:27
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Should PA have political discussions? It's up to the mods.

That said, if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions... don't respond or read the political thread.  Just ignore it.  It's that simple.[IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink[/IMG[/DIV

It's not if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions, it's if you do.

Personally I can't stand politics, on the other hand it's an important matter in these troubled times and I'm not gonna ignore some misled authoritarian crap if it should be addressed and pushed up against most firmly.

The bigger problem is that those of us who have worked hard to build up the site, (hundreds of reviews, plus album and band additions, and genre definitions) don't want people using the platform we have built for pushing their propaganda. Often times, those on here pushing propaganda the most are people who have never contributed to the site.
In a recent 'political discussion' one of our better known free-loaders accused Mirakaze of being "bathroom phobic". Mirakaze is one of the best and most productive members on this site. Its unfortunate that someone who does not contribute is being given a platform to insult those that do contribute.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2024 at 20:46
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Should PA have political discussions? It's up to the mods.

That said, if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions... don't respond or read the political thread.  Just ignore it.  It's that simple.[IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink[/IMG[/DIV

It's not if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions, it's if you do.

Personally I can't stand politics, on the other hand it's an important matter in these troubled times and I'm not gonna ignore some misled authoritarian crap if it should be addressed and pushed up against most firmly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2024 at 18:16
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Something that should be pointed out is that politics in the U.S. and the world has changed.   The election of Donald Trump was a catalyst for intense feelings, and those feelings will impact discussions here.   But it is no one's fault ~ other than those who support him ~ that a madman came to power, and that his election most certainly caused intense reactions and will affect how people talk to each other and how they're willing to express themselves.   It was inevitable that such an event would create much controversy and perceptions that must be dealt with.   When I joined this forum George Bush Jr. was president.   I never thought I'd miss the Bush's but in retrospect, Bush Jr. seems like Mr. Rogers compared to Trump, and had Hillary become President the atmosphere would be quite different.

One other factor is personal change which is separate from political upheaval.   Individuals experience growth, trauma, loss, grief, revelations, and these things will impact how they express themselves and what they're willing to say, indeed what they must say.

Both of these factors are on display here and it should be no surprise they are fundamental to how members talk to each other.   


Thanks for this message. I agree with you.

And I add: 

Instead, in Europe, war came for the first time with the invasion of Ukraine, and then every debate became a referendum for or against Putin, you can no longer discuss politics, make analysis, if you are not in favour of sending arms to Ukraine, you are a Putin supporter. Then came the propaganda, the censorship, the journalists became aggressive, the news increasingly biased. Then came 7 October and the genocide in Gaza, to which the West is no stranger: the US, Germany and Italy are the first three nations in the world to send arms to Israel. And on this fact, too, comes the propaganda, the censorship... the students occupying the universities and calling for a halt to military agreements with Israel. 

there is a growing discrepancy between the citizens and the parties: for example, in Italy the majority of the population is clearly against sending arms to Ukraine, but almost all the parties are in favour. I make no judgements here (I am against sending arms), both positions are legitimate, I just say that the majority position among the people has almost no political representation.

EU in my opinion, is losing any semblance of autonomy from the US and Israel every day.

We are really in a new situation, a new world.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2024 at 18:01
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I hate Bruce Springsteen's music.
Now, to properly address the purpose of this thread. Embarrassed
          jamesbaldwin, I agree with your perspectives on this matter. These are precarious times we live in, and communicating with each other is so important, and vital, especially in politics...

Thanks for your opinion.

(Springsteen for me is like the first love, you never forget it --- however on this site I post only his particular songs, different from his typical style, such as precisely The Big Muddy, which for me can be appreciated even by those who do not like his rock)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2024 at 09:55

Whatever subjects we're talking about, it would surely be nice with more respect for each other and keep the PA rules. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2024 at 08:35
Should PA have political discussions? It's up to the mods.  

That said, if you don't want to discuss or read political discussions... don't respond or read the political thread.  Just ignore it.  It's that simple.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2024 at 07:29
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I hate Bruce Springsteen's music.
Now, to properly address the purpose of this thread. Embarrassed
          jamesbaldwin, I agree with your perspectives on this matter. These are precarious times we live in, and communicating with each other is so important, and vital, especially in politics...


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