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AFlowerKingCrimson 
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 Posted: July 18 2024 at 10:19 |
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If you dislike CTTE more than just a little that's ok too but I'm wondering what it is about the album that puts you off so much.
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richardh
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 10:05 |
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Selling England By The Pound. Cinema Show, Dancing With The Moonlit Knight and Firth Of Fifth are masterpieces in their own right but the rest sounds 'thrown together' and it would have benefited from being 40 minutes rather than 55 minutes (lose Battle Of Epping Forest please!)
Dark Side Of The Moon. Actually a fantastic rock album but slightly overrated as a prog album. Also never understood the big deal about AP's production. Nearly everything else recorded in 1973 sounds better to me! Script For A Jesters Tear. Never been the biggest Marillion fan but I much prefer Fugazi which has better playing and seemed a bit more original to these ears. Hybris. Actually I love this album but it seems to overshadow a lot of equally good albums that were released in the 90's. Maybe like Marillion it was that 'first in gets the bacon' thing. Scenes From A Memory Pt2. Never could connect with this and there are other DT albums I like a lot more. However this one gets the masterpiece status while Octavarium, A Change Of Seasons and Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence skulk in it's shadow for reasons I never understand. and finally of course In The Court Of The Crimson King. Yep first in gets the bacon! |
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TerLJack
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:56 |
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TerLJack
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:54 |
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Reading this topic's headline at first, I was expecting this to be ultra negative. Not so much. You set it up nicely with your post.
My picks? The Wall for certain. It's good, but no WYWH or DSotM. Fragile? The epics are great. The solos for the most part? meh. In the Court of the Crimson King. Yes, I know it's groundbreaking, and prog would not exist without it, and blah blah blah. Half of it is just Fripp and the gang just noodling all about the place. IMHO. and.. oh this is not good.. I have never gotten into VDGG. It's not Peter Hammill's voice, as you might expect. I have some solo stuff by Peter I quite enjoy. Their music is a bit to "abrasive" for me? I'm really not sure what it is. I guess in this poll, at the end of the day, it's all about personal taste and opinions. (function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8a53aa636c625367',t:'MTcyMTMxODIyNi4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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moshkito
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:38 |
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Hi, Weird that in the 90's it was thought as "overrated" by some. When it came out, there was no "Prog", or even "Progressive" as a known term, and everyone just thought, like I did ... nice! Really nice! And very enjoyable. This is the tough part of how some folks rank/rate so many of these things according to TODAY's standards, instead of what I think was the time and place WHEN it came out, when the album was special and far out, and so different from the previous stuff that KC had done. One could say that they were "progressing" really nicely as opposed to many other bands that repeated themselves. For me, it's like saying that Beethoven's 3rd and 4th are overrated when compared to the 5th and the 9th ... and in the end, I think this is not respectful to the artist and his/her ability to give us so much music that we enjoy over and over again, and to think that we are almost to the 50th year after its release, makes me appreciate it even more, and the fact that KC still performs these in concert is special to me ... that was a magic time, 1972/1973, 1974 and 1975 ... when so much music made our heart go wow.
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:30 |
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gotta disagree with these, my picks for "overrated" from these bands would've been ITCOTCK, The Snow Goose and SEBTP And some examples of the little overrated albums, immediately followed by the slightly underrated ones from the same artists: Opeth - Blackwater Park (Ghost Reveries is the GOAT in my book) Marillion (h era) - both Brave and Marbles (Seasons End all the way for me) Marillion (Fish era) - Clutching At Straws (it still sounds like a Misplaced Childhood clone for me, can't understand all the praise) Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused to Sing (I'm sad To The Bone is so ignored) Fates Warning - the whole Arch era (yet 2000-2010s, their best period, gets little love for some reason) And some albums that I just consider a bit overrated: Änglagård - Hybris (it's a classic but I'd rather listen to Sinkadus) All Traps On Earth - s/t Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon Bacamarte - Depois do Fim Bubu - Anabelas Khan - Space Shanty Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra...honestly, most one-album-wonders from the 70s were not that great  Also Yes, everything from Devin Townsend, Wobbler - they're ok but why you guys love them SO much? 
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 08:30 |
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Maybe I'm easily pleased, but I think they are all 5 Star albums, except the Rush (Side A 5/5 B 3.5/5)
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 07:39 |
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2112's flipside has 2.5 pearls IMHO Bangkok and Something For Nothing are downright excellent , and ditto to a lesser extent Twilight. The other two tracks are really nowhere (barely worthy of CoS caliber).
I don't see how over-rated these albums can be. The debut is one of the most under-rated, while the second is universally considered a turd.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 07:06 |
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King Crimson- Red
I was disappointed in the album in 1974. In the 90s it grew to be this iconic masterpiece in Prog. To me...that is overrated. That is such an exaggeration. It wasn't groundbreaking to every Prog musician on the planet. An abundance of population like the album. Does that make it great to everyone? No it doesn't. It's ignorant to assume that it does. That is why it is overrated!! If you like the album ...fine! ..but placing it above and beyond Univers Zero and loads of other bands is ridiculous. That's an opinion not a fact. Music is subjective so in that case it may be iconic to anyone as a personal preference but it is not a fact that it is greater or better than anything else in Progressive Rock.. |
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moshkito
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 06:46 |
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Hi, Agreed. I do think as well that saying that something as this, is rather weird .... I was about to state that the "influence" of others is a serious issue, otherwise you or I would never think of anything as such. As an artist, stuff like this is a bummer. It takes away a lot of the beauty and effort that so many people have put together for an album. I guess it's different today since you can "compose" in your bed, or shower, and that "qualifies one to say something else is "overrated"? Blame Byron, who used to write some of his poetry in the bath! Definitely weird!
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 06:34 |
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Everything from Genesis (sorry but I've never been able to survive an entire album in one shot) But The Lamb is a great exception to what I have written above.
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essexboyinwales
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 03:41 |
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Close To The Edge - although, TBH, I don’t really like it very much at all, so maybe I’m wrong to include it here!
Marbles - it IS a good album, but it’s not great. Too much filler! |
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 03:06 |
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Certainly not a new subject, maybe except from the "little" but okay, some of them are and maybe not just little: King Crimson - Discipline Rush - Moving Pictures Yes - Fragile Tull - TaaB VdGG - Pawn Hearts
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I admittedly was a little underwhelmed when I first heard Seven Impale's Summit but I only listened to it once so far. Not bad but maybe just not the style I typically like and listen to. TMV I have to listen to again. They seem a bit wild. Hybris is a stone cold classic though and the Wobbler is very good too but need to listen to more.
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Posted: July 17 2024 at 20:39 |
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Änglagård Hybris Tool Lateralus The Mars Volta De-Loused in the Comatorium Wobbler From Silence to Somewhere Seven Impale Summit
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Posted: July 17 2024 at 20:30 |
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Quite subjective topic, since it's based on personal taste, not on musical quality, knowledge, etc. I personally don't like the term "overrated," since it would mean I want to impose my views/taste over somebody's else.
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Posted: July 17 2024 at 19:57 |
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Mostly DSofM and Misplaced Childhood. To a lesser degree Fragile.
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^Aside from DSOTM (and mainly because it's just been so overplayed on the radio) the only one by them I think is kind of overrated is Animals. "Dogs" is great but the other two main tracks ("sheep" and "pigs (three different ones") don't really do a whole lot for me. I think maybe part of this is because of the reduced role of Rick Wright. He's all over Wish You Were Here but other than the middle part of Dogs his synth seems to be mostly in the background which is a shame imo.
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Posted: July 17 2024 at 16:53 |
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Not sure whether it's "overrated" but VDGG's Godbluff does nothing for me, which is very surprising as it's their highest rated and I love all their albums around it (except World Record) to pieces.
I also think Wish You Were Here firmly belongs in the lower half of Pink Floyd's albums. Another one from the category "highly rated albums from an artist I love that I don't think are that good" is Oldfield's Amarok, which is quite messy in my view, and it doesn't help that he intentionally damaged the flow of it just to annoy Richard Branson apparently.
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Posted: July 17 2024 at 16:10 |
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I counted 35 titles in PA's top prog albums, that according to my tastes are overrated, but I'm not going to name them. I can say which ones I disagree about that's been mentioned here instead: VDGG - Pawn Hearts, King Crimson - Red, Camel - Moonmadness, The Soft Machine - Volume Two, Genesis - Trespass & Nursery Cryme (my two favorite Genesis albums), PFM - Storia di un Minuto and finally:
I know not everyone loves the whole album like I do, but thinking of Epitaph as nothing special, is just weird to me.
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