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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2024 at 04:17
^ Good call regarding Now, but I would rather refer to their first album: Complaint of the Wind; this one is much more AOR-ish then Speres or Deep, which are much more full blown (Neo) Prog. Deep is their best album though.

Really nice how this thread unfolds: many great suggestions. Many known and usual suspects, but also some bands that are - to me - lesser known or not known at all. Some more music to explore, thus.
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I was listening to Demon - The Plague today. I think that might count. Maybe a bit on the harder side of rock.

Never really dived into the music of Demon (mainly heard bits of them back in the 80s) but this is a very enjoyable album indeed! Thanks.



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The Belgian band Now, fronted by guitarist and singer Vincent Fis, was arguably the finest AOR-prog band on the continent in the late 1980s and early 1990s. They created strong, dynamic AOR-prog, a fashionable fusion of the U.S.-style hard-rock and British neo-prog. This four-piece ensemble, which featured a lady as well, sounds incredibly colourful, intricate, and lyrical in that AOR-prog kind of way. "Deep" is their third and final album, released in 1992. The album has five songs, one of which is a cover of Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir''. Really, that cover is quite excellent and proggy. And Vincent Fis has incredible guitar skills. After this record, Now disbanded, and its talented keyboard player, Hervé Borbé, joined the venerable Belgian band Machiavel.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^I would agree with you if you said Point of Know Return or Audio Visions but imo Leftoverture is pure prog.

All their first 5 albums are pure prog but to my ears only the first 2 are symphonic in the English tradition that they were being influenced by. Masque was the start of a shorter more commercial based approach. Generally I only listen to their first 2 albums in their entiriety and the last 3 albums. 

On this thread generally people are including crossover bands as well as AOR bands so it's a bit messy anyway.

Most would accept Asia's debut is AOR but is there such a massive difference between that and Leftoverture? Take out Magnum Opus (which personally I find a little weak) and I don't see that much. I do like Kansas and count them as a favourite band (more so than say Gentle Giant) so it's not about trying to put them down in any way. They were certainly one of the best American bands (AOR can also mean American Orientated Rock) along with Chicago and The Tubes. IMO
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I tend to be a huge AOR fan and find it to be prog related.  I am a fan of most of the aforementioned bands: Journey, Boston, REO, Chicago, Journey, Asia, Toto, etc.  In recent years (meaning the last couple of decades), Sweden has had a number of newer Prog-lite/AOR bands releasing albums.  I am a fan of bands such as Work of Art, Eclipse, and W.E.T. (a "supergroup consisting of members of Work of Art, Eclipse, and Talisman).  W.E.T. and Talisman had Jeff Scott Soto as vocalist.  Houston is another good Swedish AOR band.

Other good bands are AOR and Mecca.

A couple of older British AOR bands that I really enjoy are FM and Strangeways. 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Rose - A Taste of Neptune (tastes better than Jupiter, Saturn, or Uranus I suppose)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2024 at 18:15
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Not suggesting these because I think them good, although I quite like Presto.

Rush - Presto
ELP - Black Moon and In the Hot Seat
It Bites - Once Around the World
Rose - A Taste of Neptune (tastes better than Jupiter, Saturn, or Uranus I suppose)

 

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

He was pretty handy with a synthesizer, too!


Yes he was!!  I just wrote him an email to see if he'd respond, I bet he will!  Were you in Champaign IL in that era?  Sounds like it!  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2024 at 16:05
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I don't care for their self-titled record, but Fountains of Light is a different story. Herb's the star of that album, as far as I'm concerned.


I was a backstage friend of Herb, he was an amazing talent on Hammond organ!  Interestingly, he was also a highly regarded computer programmer and wrote some seminal textbooks on the topic! 



He was pretty handy with a synthesizer, too!

Yes he was!!  I just wrote him an email to see if he'd respond, I bet he will!  Were you in Champaign IL in that era?  Sounds like it!  
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I don't care for their self-titled record, but Fountains of Light is a different story. Herb's the star of that album, as far as I'm concerned.


I was a backstage friend of Herb, he was an amazing talent on Hammond organ!  Interestingly, he was also a highly regarded computer programmer and wrote some seminal textbooks on the topic! 



He was pretty handy with a synthesizer, too!
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^Correct, Leftoverture is no less prog than Wind & Wuthering or Rain Dances.

IMO, Kansas didn't start the transition to AOR till Monolith and hitting it with Elefante in the band.

Then Walsh returned and the pendulum began to swing back, albeit slowly.

"Musicatto," a great instrumental from Power, with Steve Morse installed as lead guitarist.

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I was listening to Demon - The Plague today. I think that might count. Maybe a bit on the harder side of rock.

As far as the REO Speedwagon of prog, that's got to be Moon Safari.


I went to university in Champaign, Illinois USA (University of Illinois), where REO Speedwagon had their origin!!  In those years (1973-77), Champaign was renowned for our bands!!  REO used to play street dances and local gigs at bars, they were very popular with the students and "townies!"  A movie about that era was made, see https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEHPP_EmL2qDHm4egl4K9v_Xen7WopVoq

The original vocalist for REO, Terry Luttrell, left REO and eventually ended up as vocalist for the Yes-like band "Starcastle!"  Starcastle were HUGELY popular in Champaign back then, and their first LP had constant rotation on college radio!!   They were an amazingly energetic and charismatic band, playing all sorts of covers by Rolling Stones, Elton John and others as well as their originals!  

BTW, I don't consider them a "Yes-Clone," their vocalization style was very much influenced by Flash vs. Yes.   Gary Strater helped to give them that Yes sound with his Rickenbacker-Squire style, and keyboardist Herb Schildt was a master of the Hammond organ!!  These were rather rare instruments for bar bands in those years. 




I don't care for their self-titled record, but Fountains of Light is a different story. Herb's the star of that album, as far as I'm concerned.

I was a backstage friend of Herb, he was an amazing talent on Hammond organ!  Interestingly, he was also a highly regarded computer programmer and wrote some seminal textbooks on the topic! 

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^I would agree with you if you said Point of Know Return or Audio Visions but imo Leftoverture is pure prog.
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Kansas cornered the market with Leftoverture.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:



FaPZ is also a winner in my book, along with Foreigner's debut. MMEB's Solar Fire is my favorite of theirs (though that's straight-up prog).

Nektar's Magic is a Child was my introduction to them, and while it's not considered prime Nektar, I like it.

Thanks for your comments.

Solar Fire is also my fave, but I think Angel Station is their strongest representation in this category... it's quality Prog tinged AOR, whereas Chance isn't as good and is also too low on the Prog quotient for this category. I'd say exactly the same about Magic Is A Child (still quite enjoyable) as opposed to Man In The Moon, too AOR. I still own Angel St & Magic, but don't own Moon or Chance these days. Incidentally, my fave Nektar is Remember The Future, FWIW...
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

When I think of a really successful AOR/ Prog hybrid, my favourite may well be the stupendous 'Jefferson Starship: Freedom At Point Zero', however another few would be:

MMEB: Angel Station
Nektar: Magic Is A Child
Toto: Turn Back
Styx: Grand Illusion
Foreigner: Debut
Supertramp: Crime Century



FaPZ is also a winner in my book, along with Foreigner's debut. MMEB's Solar Fire is my favorite of theirs (though that's straight-up prog).

Nektar's Magic is a Child was my introduction to them, and while it's not considered prime Nektar, I like it.
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When I think of a really successful AOR/ Prog hybrid, my favourite may well be the stupendous 'Jefferson Starship: Freedom At Point Zero', however another few would be:

MMEB: Angel Station
Nektar: Magic Is A Child
Toto: Turn Back
Styx: Grand Illusion
Foreigner: Debut
Supertramp: Crime Century

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This old band "Double" had some interesting songs.  This song used to remind me of cheese but after revisiting many years later,  it's really quite exceptional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX-Ru1XkNZc


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What's wrong with Album-Oriented Rock?
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Friends don't let friends listen to AOR. Sick
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

One not mentioned that I like is Planet P Project's debut album.


Planet P/Tony Carey fan, here! That's a classic, but I think it's nearly crossover prog, what with its amalgam of German-influenced new wave and motorik, prog electronic and American rock.

I dig the conceptual follow-up Pink World even more. It's amazing Tony recorded everything you hear on it!



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