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Points: 1149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 22:13
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Too true. 

Unfortunate, I actually did spend a fair amount of time on this and was looking forward to some intelligent, adult conversation and feedback.



I see where you are coming from ClemoN. Kansas are one of the true heroes of prog. Coming from America, they could have easily gone the way of Styx or Journey, but stuck with producing good music longer than most. Somewhere to Elsewhere was a welcome return to their roots.

[edit] Steve Walsh's Shadowman has continued the legacy


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Points: 1149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 22:09
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

I don't see anyone from the UK or Europe agreeing....................yet?


I'm from Australia and I agree... does that count.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 22:00
It's a shame, I was hoping for some too, but then I decided to play with the troll 
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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 22:00

Too true. 

Unfortunate, I actually did spend a fair amount of time on this and was looking forward to some intelligent, adult conversation and feedback.
"Peace is the only battle worth waging."

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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:46

Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

I don't see anyone from the UK or Europe agreeing....................yet?

I don't think people of any Continent including Europe will agree with this kind of statements.

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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:45
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

YUP



How does it feel to be a closed-minded twat?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:44

YUP

 
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:42
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

I don't see anyone from the UK or Europe agreeing....................yet?


Are you suggesting those are the only opinions with merit?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:41
I don't see anyone from the UK or Europe agreeing....................yet?
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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:37

I'm afraid the point may have been lost here, which wasn't to make the claim that Kansas (or any other American band) was (or is) any better than one from anywhere else (and really, since when has national origin been a determining factor in the worth of a musical group?). 

The observation was simply that there are many great prog bands today, and there were many great prog bands in the 70's.  There are not many bands who have managed to remain viable and productive on both ends of the 80's chasm.  In my opinion Kansas, with seven albums worth of original material during the 70's, another five in the 80's, and three new albums since, is one of those bands.
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I believe Kansas' first 5 albums represent the finest in American Prog.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:33
Me, patriotic?   Get yer head out of yer ass!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:32
Why?....you're obviously so patriotic to your country that you would argue Vietnam was a victory.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:31

Love Beach is the joke of every Prog site (not only this one but each and every one), In the Hot Seat is even worst and Re-Works would be OK for a trance party or something similar.

Kansas is probably the most respected USA Prog' band, they mixed with great capacity hard rock, USA Folk and Symphonic Progressive as no one ever did, they were probably the first Prog' band that based their sound in the combination of violin and vocals rather than in keyboards, and did it very well.

Leftoverture is (At least IMO) in the level of the best Prog' albums of all time, songs as Miracles Out of Nowhere, The Wall, Song or America, etc are great examples of Progressive Rock.

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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:30
You said a bad ELP album is better than Kansas, yet I fail to see how, say, In The Hot Seat or Love Beach would have any merit over even Kansas' s/t.

Care to debate?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:29
I didn't know that persaonal opinion was barred. As an American i can see why you disagre, as your nationals basically disagree over everything in this world. However, Kansas never hit the heights of  ElLP at their best, so content yourself with being second best just once in your life.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:25
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

But even a bad ELP album was so much better then Kansas.


You'll find that most will disagree with your pompous, distorted view.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:24
But even a bad ELP album was so much better then Kansas.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:22

Kansas not even in their worst years did an album as bad as Love Beach or In the Hot Seat, an never released an abomination as the dance disco called Re-Works.

To be honest ELP did excellent albums until the mid 70's, but every album since Works II is way below the level of any good Prog' band.

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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 21:22
Nationalistic veiled racism isn't becoming of you.


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