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R o V e R
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 02:22 |
Nick mason is great drummer;
I don’t care about speed or whatever,
I love his simplicity on percussion, right note at the right time.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 01:55 |
Nick Mason = one dude
Deff. underrated.
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 01:30 |
Lucifer_Sam wrote:
I dont agree with stonebeard. I believe that Dave Glimour is a greater musician, and added more to the band than rick wright did. Look at the impact he made when Gilmour started directing things after Barret left. We saw the full flourish of Pink Floyd in Meddle, DArk Side and Wish you were here under Gilmours influence on guitar. Glimours solos are some of the greatest of all time, and he never overdoes it. sure Rick wright had his moments, but Gilmour was definately a more accomplished musician and altered the floyd sound more than wright ever did. |
You're almost right. After Barrett left (or was more or less kicked out), it was Roger who took hold of the reigns and steered Floyd into the direction that led to all those great albums.
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Lucifer_Sam
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 01:22 |
I dont agree with stonebeard. I believe that Dave Glimour is a greater musician, and added more to the band than rick wright did. Look at the impact he made when Gilmour started directing things after Barret left. We saw the full flourish of Pink Floyd in Meddle, DArk Side and Wish you were here under Gilmours influence on guitar. Glimours solos are some of the greatest of all time, and he never overdoes it. sure Rick wright had his moments, but Gilmour was definately a more accomplished musician and altered the floyd sound more than wright ever did.
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 23:11 |
Rick Wright was the best musician in Floyd, with Gilmour at a close second. But Mason, though he fit the band perfectly, did nothing to make his drumwork unique, unless you count the lack of interesting drumwork "unique" (disreguarding "A Saucerful of Secrets, which has a very nice beat).
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The Miracle
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:36 |
Yes, he is the drummer of PF, and I can hardly imagine someone else replacing him. And he was very amazing and fast on Live At Pompeii Actually, none of PF's musicians are that great, their strongest poit was Waters' amazing songwriting. That's why they didn't make anything good after he left
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:14 |
Well, somebody has to disagree, Nick Mason is a good drummer, don't deny this, but IMO he isn't even close to the best ones, he has good speed but not extreme, has excellent work with the bass drum and metals but is bellow the average with the snares.
Take for example Graham Broad from the Waters staff on In the Flesh Live, he sounds exactly as Nick Mason but with the advantage of not needing a second percusionist as Nick Mason needs on Pulse or The Delicate Sound of Thunder.
Iván
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sonic wizard
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:12 |
I have his book, I think it is very well written. If you know every little detail of the Pink Floyd story you probably won't find much new in it, but for the rest of us its great.
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An old fart
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:03 |
Hello everyone! This is my first post.
Everyone here seems to agree about this subject, me too. Nick Mason is good enough drummer for Floyd. Most of the songs by them are in moderate or even slow tempo and the time signatures aren't demanding either (with maybe a couple of exceptions in Money and some parts of Shine on...), so there's really no need for a neil peart or bill bruford in Pink Floyd. The feeling is everything. That's what makes David Gilmour and Rick Wright so special too, a sense of passion and melody.
Don't get me wrong, I also love the more complex progressive rock, a la Genesis, Jethro Tull, Rush and Yes, but Pink Floyd is significantly different from them in style (and all of them different from each other as well, but that's another story). Nick Mason handles his post perfectly in Floyd's context, in my opinion.
By the way, has anyone of you read his book about Floyd? Do you recommend it?
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Juhqli
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 18:57 |
Pink Floyd was forced to compensate it's lack of technical capacity with creativeness which was good from my point of view
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laplace
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 18:52 |
I would'n want anyone else in Floyd.. they're not up there with my
favourites, but Wish You Were Here just wouldn't have the sincerity,
humour and warmth that it does if he was replaced by a more competent,
adventurous drummer..
I think space rock in general is better served by tight bands than by
virtuosity.. Eloy's my favourite of the lot and their jams are usually
very democratic and cohesive.
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horza
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 18:23 |
^ i agree
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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gok22us
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 18:11 |
thats one thing that is really interesting about Pink Floyd....
the members of that band complement each other perfectly. None of the guys were the most talented at their instruments (or at least they never showed it) but they never held each other back. Even though the drums aren't doing much, the bass is simple, the keyboards aren't spewing a million notes a measure, it still works so well.
If you tried to stick Nick Mason in King Crimson, or Rick Wright in Genesis, the two guys would look awful, and hold back the rest of the people in the band.
For some reason, the lack of insane instrumentation in Floyd, isn't a turnoff at all. Great band.
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ShW1
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 18:09 |
Agree.
He is original, unique drummer.
For instance: Piper at the gates of dawn - flaming.
He played also at Steve Hiledge "green" album.
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samhob
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:40 |
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horza
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:36 |
yeah he'll do for me too,i want him and gilmour and wright,not some super precise automatons that waters hires
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Phil
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:28 |
I know he's not maybe not the "best" drummer in terms of speed, blinding solo's, etc but I think Nick Mason is the ONLY drummer for the 'Floyd and part of their unique sound - can you imagine "Shine on" with Carl Palmer or Billy Cobham playing on it at 200mph?
I just think he doesn't get the appreciation he deserves - OK maybe he isn't the greatest drummer but I think his contribution to Pink Floyd is under-valued. Plus, he produced one of the (IMHO) great albums - Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom.
And from what I've seen of him in interviews etc he comes across as a nice chap!
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