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I prophesy disaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Online Points: 4918 |
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Well, that's one thing, but the reason why '70s music sounds the way it does is objectively due to the limitations of the technology.
That may be the case if one were a bat, but humans have hearing frequency limitations that nullify the theoretical limitations of modern digital recordings. In other words, provided that the physical implementation of the digital technology matches the theoretical specification of the digital technology, then to an unbiased human listener, digital music will sound as perfect as their hearing allows. And while analogue may be theoretically unlimited, no real analogue storage medium is capable of matching the real technical specifications of digital storage media. Many people look at the stepped digital waveform and neglect that it is: (1) an exaggeration, (2) smoothed to the same as the analogue signal by (among other things) the ear. Edited by I prophesy disaster - June 20 2023 at 04:37 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21564 |
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You mean that people focus on the style/genre rather than the sound? I'm not so sure about that, since there is a correlation. But sure, I guess the OP is primarily looking for albums that have a "retro production" rather than emulating the style of the 70s. So less Transatlantic, more Wobbler/Anekdoten/Änglagård etc..
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Glad to see you are finally living up to your name.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7411 |
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Seek out albums where the musicians employ identical or similar instruments to our heroes!
I like to hear Hammond B3 organ through Leslie speakers, genuine Mellotron (or high-quality Mellotron samples), Rickenbacker bass, authentic Mini-Moog, Fender Rhodes electric piano, Gibson Les Paul with distortion & analog echo, etc. This will give you an idea of what I always look for! Many bands experiment with these instruments, such as Glass Hammer, Night Watch etc. ![]() |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37129 |
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Constantine has three albums from 2015, 220, and 2023, but I only know Day of Light from 2015, which is primarily a Prog Folk project with psychedelia.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Online Points: 15551 |
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I'd even say it's not a good habit to have if it's the case.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43269 |
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Magic Bus: We're travelling in a fried out kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie, with a modern band who play music that's firmly rooted in the late 1960's psychedelic era. You don't have to come from a land down under to enjoy this hippie band of flower children, but they go well together with a Vegemite sandwich. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There's also clear similarities with the Canterbury Scene sound of Caravan - which seems fitting for a VW camper van, or indeed a Magic Bus. ![]() ![]() Edited by Psychedelic Paul - June 19 2023 at 17:17 |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12374 |
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It amuses me that some don't read the OP, only the title, and just respond.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18879 |
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The term modern can be a slippery slope but I'll say:
Anglagard Anekdoten The Flower Kings Most current RPI bands Transatlantic IQ Magic Pie Moon Safari Diagonal Eldberg I would say most recent bands on here labelled symphonic prog are retro.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Online Points: 15551 |
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Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does. Edit: Anyway, the most important in my opinion is how much one likes the sound quality one seems to hear.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21564 |
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Didn't see any DT albums in the list. For Opeth - Heritage the tag is valid IMHO, also for Spock's Beard. Of course the question is: "retro" in what sense? Spock's Beard were partially retro in terms of songwriting, but probably not in terms of sound/production. And of course bands like Wobbler are simply much more retro than SB. You're correct, the perils of tagging. But also the blessings, since one can go through the list and take it for what it is (albums which some people chose to apply the tag "retro" to).
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That's certainly an excellent suggestion if you are looking for retro Canterbury. |
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Don't really think of any of those Dream Theater, Spock Beard, Opeth albums as retro, guess that's the perils of tagging. |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21564 |
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As far as current releases go, a favorite of mine from 2023 is this release by Zopp: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77524
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BTW:Here's a list of all studio albums currently tagged as retro prog rock at TYM.
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Oh... Wobbler |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21564 |
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The science-based ones do. It's like Grumpyprogfan says: "the tape added the warmth". All these "audiophiles" who prefer the old, warm-sounding recordings are not really audiophile in the true sense of the word, meaning that the audio signal needs to be preserved as accurately as possible. Rather, they prefer a specific type of sound that the imperfect recording equipment of the 70s created (the technical term is harmonic distortion). And I agree - those records sound great, while many modern recordings sound "cold". And of course compressing the dynamic range (aka the loudness wars) adds to the problem. But the accuracy of the recording is not the issue - if anything, modern technology captures things too accurately.
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Or maybe some of us like the tortured old sounds of rock as it was meant to be heard. |
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The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s
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Hi, You might actually have hit it on the head. In those days, just about everything was done in the studio ... and thus the ability to make it sound better is easier ... nowadays, we work off the DAW and what we recorded into it, and I'm not sure that the quality ... studio wise ... that you are looking for is there, since the studio has special sound walls and items that are used to help clean up the sound more than we do within a home environment, or even in a garage. But as you already mentioned ... drums shelved ... and yeah, not a surprise since the majority of folks can only hit the snare drum and not use the rest of the drum set. And then they think of themselves as "masters" if they can manage to get 8 hits in time, and then maybe 16 touches in time! good mathematicians in my book, but not quite good music "keepers" as I like to say ... Some of this is noticeable ... for example, in SW's latest PT album ... when/where you can easily tell the parts that were mailed around, and done at home, that were kinda mixed in well, but the feeling of the warmth and touch that you talk about, is nowhere to be seen ... I find that last album more "clinical" and "surgical" than anything else ... but not an "artistic" achievement at all!
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