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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15186 |
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There's a family legend that we are descendents of Robert Schumann because (secured historical fact) he played four-handed piano with my greatgreatgreat(...)grandmother some nine months before the next in the line was born, and her husband is said to have been travelling at the time. ![]() And I don't list him... shame!
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20420 |
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Thanks for replying. I didn't mean to disregard Henry Purcell, but he died in the 1690's in his mid thirties; indeed there was a 20 year gap before Handel arrived with George I. Purcell's choral and vocal music in particular, be it sacred or secular, was indeed beautiful and highly regarded throughout Europe, however he was the last of a line, before a 150 year near silence descended (Thomas Arne excepting, I suppose). You are right about Dunstable, Dowland, Taverner, Sheppard, Tallis & Byrd of course; before and during the reformation, our music was as prominent as anyone's (excepting the Italian states of course). With RVW, much of the folk music are prominent in his songs, besides some of his shorter orchestral compositions. If anyone is new to RVW, I'd suggest starting with some of his more immediate stuff, such as Fantasia on Greensleeves, Lark Ascending, Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis, Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus & Flos Campi. For folk orientation, I'd suggest Norfolk Rhapsody, In The Fen Country, On Wenlock Edge song cycle and his chamber cycle, Six studies in English folk song. For his symphonies, you were probably right to start with No.5, which is most peoples way in... maybe then try his No.2 'London'. If you are interested in specific recordings, I'm happy to make some solid suggestions.
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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FIRSTS 10: PODIUM: 1) Mozart 2) Bach 3) Beethoven These three are unreachable. Then, from lyric opera: 4) Wagner 5) Verdi Even these two are unreachable (in their specific field) Then, the ranking is more subjective. In my case: 6) Berlioz 7) Mahler 8) Stravinskij 9) Schoenberg 10) Vivaldi + 10: 1) Debussy 2) Cage 3) Bartok 4) Haydn 5) Brahms 6) Haendel 7) Chopin 8) Schubert 9) Ravel 10) Puccini + 10: 1) Chaikosvskij 2) Webern 3) Schumann 4) Shostakovich 5) Liszt 6) Gluck 7) Musorgskij 8) Berg 9) Strauss 10) Rossini. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 12502 |
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^That's all very interesting. You "always" had Henry Purcell though (+ also Dowland and Byrd). Who is among my favorite baroque composers. I don't know, maybe he (or they) were largely forgotten or not considered as great - or relevant. -All this make me want to revisit Vaughan Williams. I'm only familiar with a couple of his most known works (The Lark Ascending, Symphony no. 5 and a few more). It didn't leave the strongest impression on me in my early 20's, but I've changed since then. Reading up on him now he certainly sound like my cup of tea. And any collector of folkmusic/songs is a "friend of mine".
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20420 |
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Yes, you've essentially hit the nail here, so to speak. Although throughout the 19th century, the English had a terrible superiority complex, contributing much toward many aspects of artistic expression, we were mocked by the Prussians/ Germans as being the 'Land without Music' and the certainly had a point. Our principal composer from the mid-late 19th C was Hubert Parry, respected in his time, but whose output was that of a poor man's Brahms and has mostly been forgotten now. Arguably our greatest composer, the one whose compositions earned international respect yet introduced a certain 'Englishness' to our musical canon was of course Edward Elgar, whose symphonies and choral works stand up with the best from the period. It wasn't until the 1890's however, that two young men realised that the various folk tunes which had been passed down from generation to generation amongst agricultural workers, fishermen and within rural communities were gradually being lost as the populations increasingly became literate and moved to the towns for work. They set about travelling the countryside with wax cylinders in an attempt to write down and record the songs which were sung, before incorporating them in their own works, so that they could be preserved for posterity. They were RVW and Gustav Holst, whose works are quintessentially parts of the English canon; RVW's symphonies in particular chronicle our world from the Edwardian era through to the greyness of the early 1950's... to the English, they are priceless and influenced Arnold Bax, Howells & Gurney, to name a few.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 12502 |
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Maybe I do get it. I guess as I don't live in a former colonial empire myself, "Englishness" isn't something negative or problematic. It has it's appeal, just like any other flavor or color. Sibelius, Grieg, Dvořák and many more drew inspiration from their own folklore*... even Bartok did. Coming from younger, less powerful nations in search of an identity, it probably makes the sensitive listener less uncomfortable. But I won't blame the artist for the zeitgeist of the era in which they operated. If I did, that would imply that I think I'm better than them just because I happen to live a 100-200 years later. Anyway, I'm just rambling. *+ of course Wagner and practically all of the Russians...
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20420 |
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Both are masterpieces of course, but they couldn't be more different. Both were written by composers contemplating their mortality with Bruckner, a deeply religious man going for the triumphant blaze of brass as he approaches the gates of the next realm, whereas Mahler, ever more doubtful about what the future holds, creates this deep, brooding, multi-layered masterpiece of textures...
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 12502 |
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(he wasn't on my original list, btw) |
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20420 |
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Many good ones, although my favourite is Eine Alpensinfonie, especially the climax with the clash of symbols, where the mist separates and their majesty is in full view.... makes the hairs stand up on the back on my neck! I also love the classic Karajan (he was in his element with the Late Romantics) recording of Tod und Verklarung, Metamorphosen and Vier letzte lieder with Gundula Janowitz... art at it's very best!
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43748 |
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The Hours I've spent listening to the marvellous music of Philip Glass more than equals all of the other classical composers put together.
A Window on the World of Philip Glass (selected works, excluding concertos, operas, soundtracks & symphonies) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Philip Glass' Soundtracks ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Philip Glass' Symphonies ![]() ![]() ![]() 2nd Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvW2Vnnxr00 3rd Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WsBCF_u-nU 4th Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffS3ESKCk8 ![]() ![]() 2002: Symphony No. 6: Plutonian Ode - (playlist currently unavailable) ![]() 2005: Symphony No. 8 - (playlist currently unavailable) 2011: Symphony No. 9 - (playlist currently unavailable) ![]() ![]() 2019: Symphony No. 12: Lodger Symphony (David Bowie & Brian Eno) - (playlist currently unavailable) Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 22 2023 at 03:28 |
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8779 |
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20420 |
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throw in a few Strauss tone poems and I'm right there with you...
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2709 |
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I love Western Classical Music and I have many favourites in this field.
I guess Francesco Geminiani has not been mentioned yet. His works are pure delight for the ears. |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 12502 |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15569 |
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I have some good thoughts about most of these composers, and I can wonder what I would think of their music today. ![]() |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6819 |
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My favorite three are Igor Stravinsky, Gustav Mahler, and Mozart.
Rounding out my top fifteen- Dmitri Shostakovich Antonio VivaldiBela Bartok Johann Sebastian Bach Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Richard Wagner Franz Liszt Giuseppe Verdi Sergei Rachmaninoff Franz Schubert Ludwig van Beethoven Johannes Brahms Edited by omphaloskepsis - February 21 2023 at 21:19 |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15569 |
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To be honest, ![]() |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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