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bassguy35
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Posted: August 01 2004 at 17:38 |
nope i'd have to say that i'm not a hippi, and i have never been one
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Gaston
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Posted: July 29 2004 at 23:33 |
I am/was a hippie.
Wait a minute. No. There isn't any such thing as a hippie now. I'm only 25. Hippies are from the 60s and 70s when the term was actually relevant and everything it represented was actually ideologically fresh and revolutionary. The hippies you think are hippies today are at best neo-hippies. It's still a trickle down of the ethics and culture, but it's not the same. Everything's been done now.
Dreadlocks were worn in the original movement mainy by Rasta/African American characters and perhaps those who were really down on their luck and couldn't get that shag cut properly, hence the matted dreads (it doesn't happen that way with the Negroid hair type and thus the dreadlock on a white person was considered "dirty") So over years of social conditioning this stereotype was woven (pardon the pun) into the hippie movement of the 90s.
With it came many other things concerning a certain passive anarchy towards the current paradigm. Much like the original movement, these attitudes were whitewashed as "apathy" by other folks (taking the place of the condemning of the immorality of the original movement in general - free love, sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, etc) to supress the fact that neo-hippies' liberal attitudes were a shrewd contest against other conservative values. But the hypocrisy was too far gone by the 90s - mostly everyone was a hippie as the original term described because of the change in moral attitudes from pre 60s and 70s, directly as a cause of the hippie movement. This is because the original hippie movement was massively successful (as were other revolutions of its time) and subsequently proceeded to erode the playing field of the western world to a more liberal society in general). The assassination of John Lennon is suspect here. I'll not get into that right now.
So what has happened? Neo-hippies are actually an opposition to the Yuppies or corporate moguls of the 80s and 90s (original hippies' children). This in turn furthered to notion of the "down on his luck" or "dirty" hippie in the 90s because the rebellion was taken to the extent of simply giving up on materials of cultural society. (Yuppies had become "the man")
Phish and jam bands have something to do with this as if Phish itself was the poster neo-hippie band. But really Phish is a poster band for the entire 60s and 70s hippie movement, not just the Grateful Dead because so many of these neo-hippies follow their recourse. Sticking it to the man had become mainstream so to speck - even though Phish was never in the media or popular. But underground is still pop music, technically. But so much more diversity has happened that everything has been forced into outrageous categories. Hip hop comes to mind around this time because it was in the same category - state dissent. Unfortunately now it's so diverse and blurred that a new revolution is coming. That's another thread.
I'm going to see Phish's last concert ever on August 14 and 15 in Vermont, their home state. It's a camping festival. Nothing bad will happen there but there will be over 80 000 people. I wonder what would happen if 80 000 people got together for a Metallica camp out. Nothing bad, probably.
But the Rasta's are the serious dreadlock masters.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 29 2004 at 15:10 |
maani wrote:
Thus, many of you may have felt you were "hippie-like." But unless you can claim to have existed within the above parameters, you could not have been true hippies.
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I wonder how many of the true hippes realised they were existing within parameters?
Far out man.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: July 29 2004 at 13:48 |
A Wavy Gravy Nipple Slip.....
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James Lee
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Posted: July 29 2004 at 13:15 |
Beep beep beep, oh no heavy, the coins keep coming out, beep beep beep, even the telephone hates me, beep beep beep, I wish there were no machines, and everyone led a pastoral existence, trees and flowers don't deliberately cool you out and go beep in your ear.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 29 2004 at 12:05 |
I never liked Hippies for the reasons expresed by other posters before me, but I don't want to make stereotypes with the risk of sounding like the fanatic we were talking some days ago (Mr. Oakes if I remember well).
Iván
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dude
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Posted: July 29 2004 at 08:16 |
YEAH MAN...ITS LIKE....YOU KNOW...ITS ALL REAL!......LIKE...I FEEL ONE WITH THE EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE MAN........AND THE PLANTS AND ANIMALS...............................ESPECIALLY THE PLANTS!!....SOME ARE COOL MAN....THEY MAKE YOU FEEL...LIKE YOU KNOW........ONE WITH EVERYTHING....THE WAY THEY MAKE YOU FEEL.......ITS LIKE...ITS ALL REAL MAN!!...........AND I LOVE EVERYONE MAN.....AS OFTEN AS I CAN TO ........BECAUSE....LOVE,YEAH ITS WHERE ITS AT MAN...AND PEACE,.....YEAH IM ALWAYS LOOKING OUT FOR A PIECE MAN...CAUSE ITS ALL REAL....THATS WHY I GET LIKE THIS MAN ....TO GET RAEL...AND TO BE ONE WITH THE PLANTS MAN ESPECIALLY THE MUSHROOMS MAN THEY REALLY SPAEK TO ME MAN!!!
"WE LOVE YOU"THEY SAY....ITS ....OH WOW!!!....ITS ALL SO RAEL THAT SOMETIMES IT GETS REAL HEAVY MAN AND I FREAK OUT AT THE REALITY OF IT ALL MAN AND THEN MY FRIENDS HAVE TO GET LIKE....MEDICAL HELP MAN....AND I SPEND DAYS....COMING DOWN MAN ITS LIKE........TOTALLY ZEN MAN..........
YOU ARE I AND I AM YOU,ZERO THE HERO,ITS LIKE TOTALLY RIGHT MAN, I CAN DIG IT....I DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS BUT ITS TRUE AND VIBRATES WITH COSMIC HARMONY MAN!!!!!!!!
PEACE BROTHERS(AND SISTERS....SORRY)
OH MAN!!!... I GOT THE MUNCHIES NOW BUT THIS CHAIR IS SO COMFY....WHAT A HASTLE MAN ,IT MEANS I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND THAT IS LIKE...NOT COOL
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Joren
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 08:35 |
James Lee wrote:
Speaking of Zappa, Joren's signature pic isn't showing up for me anymore. Anyone else? |
I didn't see it either, but it's back! (I guess there were problems on the website I 'borrowed' it from)
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emdiar
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 03:40 |
James Lee wrote:
BTW: I hope that Webster quote was not pasted directly...I'd hate to think they've slipped so far they can't be trusted to spell "psychedelic".
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. Errrr....sorry, slip of the brain there. In my defence though, Websters, whilst perfectly capable of spelling 'psychedelic', doesn't seem to be able to spell colour, honour, humour, neighbour, labour, favour, flavour, savour, valour, mould, doughnut, fibre, cheque, grey, kerb, programmme, theatre, litre, metre, offence, pretence, pyjamas, etc. etc. etc. etc.,
In future I'll make the extra effort and reach for my somewhat more informative (and much much heavier) OED.
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James Lee
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Posted: July 28 2004 at 00:42 |
I'll have to change my answer then...born too late and never wore flares.
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maani
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 23:38 |
All:
At the risk of sounding erudite (), there are, in fact, "parameters" that "define" the word "hippy."
The chronological parameter is mid-1966 to mid-1974: the "hippie movement" began when three things coincided (the anti-war movement, the availability of LSD, and the "free love" era, which was a "delayed reaction" to the repressed 50s (which actually ended in 1963)), and ended when two things coincided (the end of the Vietnam War and the resignation of Richard Nixon). It is actually amazing to note that the movement survived the break-up of The Beatles, Altamont and Kent State, among other potential movement-killers.
Socio-politically, it was not enough that one was hanging around half-naked in parks, smoking pot, tripping and making love. One was also required to be involved in the civil rights and/or anti-war movements (it didn't hurt if you were also involved in the animal rights (i.e., veggie) and/or ecological/environmental movements).
Fashion-wise, it was bell-bottoms or "flares," tie-dyed shirts, bandanas, and clogs or sandals. Alternatively, "Eastern" dress was okay (Indian print shirts and skirts, draw-string pants, etc.). Long hair was preferred (for both sexes), but not required. And despite what most people believe, we were actually quite clean: after all, no one wanted to make love to a smelly person.
And although there were "hippie-like" movements in numerous countries around the world, a true "hippie" hailed from San Francisco (where legend, if not fact, has it that the movement started), or at least from one of the big cities (NYC, Chicago, Seattle, Boston, etc.), though even those in the "heartland" who truly followed the movement were accepted as "brothers and sisters."
Thus, many of you may have felt you were "hippie-like." But unless you can claim to have existed within the above parameters, you could not have been true hippies.
Peace. (And love)
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James Lee
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 23:28 |
Speaking of Zappa, Joren's signature pic isn't showing up for me anymore. Anyone else?
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Joren
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 19:22 |
voted for "Maybe so?". It depends on what mood I'm in. I like to call myself a hippy of the 21st century, but I think I'm in fact a 21st century schizoid man. And mr. Zappa didn't like hippies... but that was because of the masses. I don't like masses either.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 15:04 |
Thanks Blacksword, couldn't have put it better!
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Jim Garten
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 05:42 |
Got it in one, Blacksword!
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 05:18 |
I thought I was a hippy in my youth. I had long-ish hair, wore psychedelic shirts and burned incense in my bedroom and owned a number of Hawkwind albums.
By day I worked as a management trainee in a supermarket..
So, no. I was never a hippy, just a music lover who didn't hang out with lager louts. I reckon most people on this forum of from a similar mind set to myself.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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James Lee
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 05:01 |
I'm not sure if I qualify...does following the Greatful Dead for 6 months in my '68 VW bus make me a hippie?
BTW: I hope that Webster quote was not pasted directly...I'd hate to think they've slipped so far they can't be trusted to spell "psychedelic".
Dictionary.com says "A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles."
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emdiar
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 04:11 |
Define "hippy" someone. This is what Webster says;
Hippie: n. a usually middleclass, young non conformist who lives in a commune, wears nonconventional clothing, and often takes psychadelic drugs.
Sounds like a lot of punks I know!
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Jim Garten
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 03:10 |
There is definitely a hippy in me who's been trying to get out since the '70s, but I prefer to be clean....... which isn't to say I don't still wear tie-dye....
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Marcelo
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 23:43 |
I'm not, but I would like to be .
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