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Catcher10
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I've used a program I have called TrueRTA. I know the mic I have is probably not calibrated well and I should use an interface between mic and laptop. But I have no HT so getting that stuff does not make sense for me. I've used both a static test tone but normally just use a sweep/chirp test tone set at 10Hz - 22KHz, the mic is set at about 1m from speakers. Anything over 78-80dB gets to be too loud for me on the chirps. When I setup my subs I start at 75dB for the tone on my mains, when done I end up around 79dB with all speakers playing the tone I'm setting crossover for. I already have a very mild case of tinnitus, I don't need to make it worse!!
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Edited by JD - February 28 2022 at 11:52 |
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Sticking with the OPs post which is about 2-channel setup, not a HT setup. With HT a sub is merely about the LFE channel and bringing out all the booms, bangs and explosions so you rattle the walls. There is a HUGE difference in this and what a sub SHOULD be doing for a 2-channel rig set for music only. If you can hear a sub in a 2-channel set up then you have the sub setup wrong, period.
The sub(s) should blend with the main speakers, it should simply augment the low end of what your mains cannot do. Very very few main speakers today are built full range, meaning go to 20Hz, most roll off around 30Hz to as high as 50Hz (for small bookshelf models), so you are not experiencing the full range of the music without use of subs. Sub setup is critical to achieving a great blend, and absolutely you can hear and feel the difference with subs on, sure I have plenty of music that is very difficult to tell any difference but when the music calls for it the subs make it so much more engaging, simply because you are hearing the full range of music, and nothing can correct a badly mixed recording. Room treatments can help, but honestly most (90%) of pictures I see of peoples music rooms trying to use room treatments is not realistic. We all have furniture, windows, door ways, halls, tables, rugs, carpet, hard wood flooring, curtains, hanging pictures, you name it.....that you would never be able to effectively diffuse and create the reflections properly to make it sound better let alone look good for your spousal unit's approval . If you don't have the gear to accurately reproduce music that has sub 30Hz frequency, no room treatment will make that come out, it starts with the gear first. I've measured my main speakers to about 32Hz, but with my subs I have measured to around 18Hz, that's extreme though. What I get is the sustain of low notes now, a standup bass pluck can now play longer since I hear/feel the whole sustain, rather than it getting cut off at say 40Hz. And when the music has it, my room will pressurize nicely and you feel the music as well hear it......It's pretty awesome. |
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No, the side firing woofers are mounted almost mid cabinet, no blockage at all. |
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Are? Not really anymore. As in not a job function. Last album I did was BUSKER's Northern Fantasies. These days my music involvement is in the form of volunteer work as the Main Stage manager at the Orangeville Blues and Jazz Festival.
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Did not know you are a sound engineer, JD. Tell me more.
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^ Yes. Exactly.
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True. The only engineers that I know who have decent listening rooms and equipment are all retired!
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I've got walls, floors and furniture. But seriously, as a former sound engineer myself I guess you might expect that I would go to the n'th degree to tune my listening space. Only here's the thing, I don't have the budget to even come close to it. I probably spend 0.001% of my life actually sitting and listening to music. Most often it is relegated to background sound as I work. Lastly, I don't have the RTA required to make any room treatment truly useful. I came to the realization a long time ago that my personal listening space was never going to come close to my time in the studio. I think it was reading "Perfecting Sound Forever" by Greg Milner that brought me to that conclusion. It's really just chasing the end of the universe and I have so much more to do with my life. |
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Google "acoustic treatment" if you're interested. |
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^But you are an experienced recording engineer with a golden ear. For us common folk, adding a sub could make things worse.
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Curious, do you have 6", 8", or greater thickness on your traps and are they floor to ceiling in all corners? As a recording engineer I'm sure you did it right. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - February 27 2022 at 13:05 |
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I have two 600 watt subs that I can phase differently to enhance my listening room acoustics. But this is not for everyone. But I cannot fathom listening to any two channel system without at least one sub. Aside from the loss of lower bass extention, the dynamics of the music would suffer without one. Oh, and I have bass traps.
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Curious, JD as to how much treatment you have for your listening environment. |
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Properly placed acoustic treatment will give you better sound than just randomly adding a sub.
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Absolutely. You don’t need a 5.1 or 7.1 system to understand fully articulated bass.
Subwoofers are highly noticeable in just a 2 channel set up. Most high end 2 channel set ups use mono blocks and pre amps for the Subwoofer output. Believe me. Those types of 2 channel set ups with a sub are absolutely incredible, but of course expensive as hell. For my tastes I’d take that over a 7.1 set up. :) |
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