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Hi,

So weird to see this listing, and it ignoring what was one band that was listed in what another Admin here on PA had posted what appeared to be the first use of the word "progressive" in an advertisement for a concert ... and one of the bands listed? THE EDGAR BROUGHTON BAND.

Even stranger is that folks did not look up the history of the HARVEST label in England, for a listing of the most incredible names in music, and eventually a lot of them deserved to be noted as "progressive".

It's just sad for me, not to see the EBB listed, and how well known they were, and they preceded HAWKWIND in the area of free shows, specially ones in the political arena, something that here on PA we don't like to discuss unless it has feathers, perfume and flamingos! The EBB is not a "psychedelic" band ... it is a very strong (Lugosi style) edition of rock music with very intelligent and educated lyrics!


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

I remember reading in the liner-notes that this is a compilation from previously recorded material around 1976. I could be wrong though.  

As far as I know Palladin only released two albums, a self titled debut and "Charge". 

Looking at the track listing of "Jazz Attack" there are similar titles such as "Anyway" from "Charge" and  "Third World", "Carry Me Home" and "The Fakir" from the debut but they mostly seem to be updated re=recordings of the first album, particularly given that "The Fakir" was originally a single track and on "Jazz Attack" it appears to be broken up into two songs "The Fakir I" and "The Fakir II" as is the case also with "Third World".

I can't be sure about that but I would certainly like to get a hold of "Jazz Attack" to check  the album out for myself.



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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Gravy Train remind me of Paladin, who I think haven't been mentioned yet.

Gotta love "Charge" if only for the great Roger Dean cover.
My first introduction to Paladin was through the archival release of "Jazzattack" (2002, on Brazilian label Rock Symphony label). Parts of it are really good, the song "The Fakir 1" reminds me East of Eden. The album is listed as new release on PA. I don't have the CD any longer to verify it, but I remember reading in the liner-notes that this is a compilation from previously recorded material around 1976. I could be wrong though.  


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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Just a few I can think of here...apologies that it's quite folk oriented and that there are repeats from above

Beggars Opera - Waters of Change
Decameron - they made 4 albums but never made much impact
Fresh Maggots - lots of acoustic guitar but also acidic lead guitar
Forest- like a kinder gentler ISB
Third Ear Band - "The Magus" was recorded in 1972 and not released till 2004.  It would have been revolutionary at the time
Amazing Blondel - maybe too prolific to be called obscure - Elizabethan folk rock
Paul Brett Sage - first album is great
Dancer - Tales of the Riverbank - another one from 70s not released until 2000s
Fuchsia - debut from 1971 was their only album until 40+ years later when they released a 2nd album that I actually think was better
Nigel Mazlyn Jones - "Ship to Shore" is excellent
Magna Carta - peak was "Lord of the Ages"
Pererin was around at the end of the 70s but the style is quite earty 70s with some Runrig thrown in.  First 2 albums are exceptional
Strange Days - sole album is really good
Tir Na Nog - Tear and a Smile is excellent
Bran - precursor to Pererin - Hedfan and Ail Ddechra are both good
Fruupp - 4 albums I think, all good
Gracious - 2 good albums
Jade Warrior - used to be obscure, but now it's unclear.  debut is highly recommended
Jonesy - they have appeared on the occasional best prog albums list which they in no way deserve, but they are good
Loudest Whisper - Children of Lir is good
Salamander - Ten Commandments is decent
Sallyangie - sole album made by the teenage Mike and Sally Oldfield
Spriguns - decent but not very undistinguished UK folk rock
Spring - their s/t isn't really obscure anymore

Kenethlevine - thank you for your contributions to this thread. Very nice list! Some of them I've never heard before, so I will definitely check them out (Paul Brett Sage, Nigel Mazlyn Jones, Tir Na Nog, Pererin). There are some excellent bands/albums you listed that are on my Top favorite second tier British bands: Spring, Gracious, Beggars Opera, Jonesy, Fuchsia. And the rest, some of them I haven't played for years. Thanks for reminding me about these albums. It's time to revisit them. 
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Gravy Train remind me of Paladin, who I think haven't been mentioned yet.

Gotta love "Charge" if only for the great Roger Dean cover.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hugh Manatee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2021 at 21:13
Ah yes, Ariel, an Australian band that is pretty much a continuation of Spectrum, fronted by Mike Rudd.

Spectrums first two albums Spectrum Part One and Miles Ago are well worth consideration IMHO.


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Just a few I can think of here...apologies that it's quite folk oriented and that there are repeats from above

Beggars Opera - Waters of Change
Decameron - they made 4 albums but never made much impact
Fresh Maggots - lots of acoustic guitar but also acidic lead guitar
Forest- like a kinder gentler ISB
Third Ear Band - "The Magus" was recorded in 1972 and not released till 2004.  It would have been revolutionary at the time
Amazing Blondel - maybe too prolific to be called obscure - Elizabethan folk rock
Paul Brett Sage - first album is great
Dancer - Tales of the Riverbank - another one from 70s not released until 2000s
Fuchsia - debut from 1971 was their only album until 40+ years later when they released a 2nd album that I actually think was better
Nigel Mazlyn Jones - "Ship to Shore" is excellent
Magna Carta - peak was "Lord of the Ages"
Pererin was around at the end of the 70s but the style is quite earty 70s with some Runrig thrown in.  First 2 albums are exceptional
Strange Days - sole album is really good
Tir Na Nog - Tear and a Smile is excellent
Bran - precursor to Pererin - Hedfan and Ail Ddechra are both good
Fruupp - 4 albums I think, all good
Gracious - 2 good albums
Jade Warrior - used to be obscure, but now it's unclear.  debut is highly recommended
Jonesy - they have appeared on the occasional best prog albums list which they in no way deserve, but they are good
Loudest Whisper - Children of Lir is good
Salamander - Ten Commandments is decent
Sallyangie - sole album made by the teenage Mike and Sally Oldfield
Spriguns - decent but not very undistinguished UK folk rock
Spring - their s/t isn't really obscure anymore







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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Both Catapilla albums are excellent if you can get over the vocals (streaming, wailing more than singing). It took me some time to get used to them. Too bad the sister of Anna Meek, Lady Jo Meek didn't sing on both albums.

I'm not quite so fond of Changes, and I like the very emotional and intense vocal of Anna Meek - you know I'm fond in general of rather heavy stuff. And curiously enough, I've got much more fond of the heavy stuff and even Metal when getting older - the last 15 years - but I guess, it has topped by now.


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Both Catapilla albums are excellent if you can get over the vocals (streaming, wailing more than singing). It took me some time to get used to them. Too bad the sister of Anna Meek, Lady Jo Meek didn't sing on both albums. She can be heard on Julian Jay Savarin "Waiters On The Dance" album from 1971, worth mentioning here too. Any fan of heavy sound of Hammond organs should try Julian's Treatment and Julian Jay Savarin albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2021 at 13:42
Actually, after having been thinking some more about it, I have in the last about 5 years had some focus on early 70's UK bands as I've noticed that they could make music which were a mix of Psychedelic Rock and the new Prog, and which I could like very much.
On that behalf, I've found some "obscure" English albums which I'm fond or very fond of.
Besides those I've already mentioned, are following:


                 Catapilla  (UK) - Catapilla  (1971) 

                 May Blitz  (UK)  -  The 2nd of May  (1971)

                 Steel Mill  (UK)  -  Green Eyed God  (1971)



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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

This list is more or less what was called in the 90's proto-prog when most of these albums got a Cd reissue (a lot of them via the Repertoire label) . Most of these bands only made 1 or two albums back then. TBH, I heard or most of those at that time (90's reissues in CD). 95% of the list was totally unknown to me prior to these reissues.

Of course, we (PA) made the Proto-Prog genre something fairly different

a few possible additions:
Gravy Train
Ramases
Audience


Sean Trane - thanks for the contribution to this thread and your contributions on PA. I am a constant reader of your album reviews for many years now. I wish I could write as good as you.
You are absolutely right. All these bands were called proto-prog back in the 90s on rec.music.progressive newgroup and later on original PE. Since the term means different things to different people, I don't want to use it.  "Second tier" fairly well describes those bands and they are no longer obscure, thanks to PA and world wide web. They were totally unknown to me in the 90s too, with the exception of Rare Bird and Gracious. Rare Bird was pretty popular in Poland in early 70s because of the hit single "Sympathy". Polish record label "Polskie Nagrania" released Rare Bird's compilation album (songs taken from first 2 albums) in 1975 or 1976. Gracious was played on Polish radio few times in 70s, but every time the same song - the suite "The Dream" from the debut. BTW, after moving to USA and few years later after purchasing my first PC and connecting to WWW, Gracious twofer on BGO Records was my first online CD purchase. That was probably in 1996. I remember that too well, waited long enough to hear their 2 albums in entirety. Well, there was no YT back then. Smile

Gravy Train - first 2 albums are my favorite by this band. I tend to spin the debut more often. More bluesy than the second, but with more memorable melodies. Second album from 1971 - "(A Ballad Of) A Peaceful Man" is more progressive, but it lacks in my opinion these haunting, unforgettable moments that we are all looking for in music.
Audience - musically excellent band, but.. I was never able to get into Howard's Werth singing style. Believe me, I've made few attempts over the years without any success.




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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I am quite surprised that Jan Dukes de Grey have not been mentioned yet. Sun Symphonica belongs to the best tracks of the period by an obscure band.
someone_else - "Mice And Rats In The Loft" is a true gem. I had it on the first version of my list with 50 titles/bands, but I cut it to 30 titles to allow other PA members to contribute and trigger some discussions. Sometimes described as acid folk with progressive rock tendencies, I love this album because there is no other album/band that sounds like it. Very unique sound that cannot be replicated and connected with their preceders.


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Aardvark - s/t (1970)
Affinity - s/t (1970)
Beggars Opera - Waters of Change (1971)
Bram Stoker - Heavy Rock Spectacular (1972)
Catapilla - Changes (1971)
Comus - First Utterance (1971)
Cressida - Asylum (1970)
Diabolus - s/t (1972)
Fantasy - Paint a Picture (1973)
Fields - s/t (1971)
Fuchsia - s/t (1971)
Fuzzy Duck - s/t (1971)
Gnidrolog - Lady Lake (1972)
Gracious - s/t (1970)
Greatest Show on Earth, The - Horizons (1970)
Indian Summer - s/t (1971)
Jody Grind - Far Canal (1970)
Jonesy - Keeping Up (1973)
Julian's Treatment - A Time Before This (1970)
Marsupilami - s/t (1970)
Odin - s/t (1972)
Rare Bird - As Your Mind Flies By (1970)
Raw Material - Time is... (1971)
Samurai - s/t (1971)
Skin Alley - s/t (1970)
Spring - s/t (1971)
Still Life - s/t (1971)
T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland (1970)
Titus Groan - s/t (1970)
Web - I Spider (1970)


This list is more or less what was called in the 90's proto-prog when most of these albums got a Cd reissue (a lot of them via the Repertoire label) . Most of these bands only made 1 or two albums back then. TBH, I heard or most of those at that time (90's reissues in CD). 95% of the list was totally unknown to me prior to these reissues.

Of course, we (PA) made the Proto-Prog genre something fairly different

a few possible additions:
Gravy Train
Ramases
Audience




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I am quite surprised that Jan Dukes de Grey have not been mentioned yet. Sun Symphonica belongs to the best tracks of the period by an obscure band.

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Atavachron -great recommendations! I am not familiar with Ariel. Shuttah - unexpected discovery, 60-min concept album/rock-opera recorded in 1971, a mixed bag of different music genres: blues/psych/prog/space-rock. A true mystery to me, how album so well arranged and produced could seat on the shelf for over 30 years?

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Morgan - Nova Solis CD (album) cover

Quatermass - Quatermass CD (album) cover

Quiet Sun - Mainstream CD (album) cover

The Web - I Spider CD (album) cover

Shuttah - The Image Maker vol. 1 &amp;amp; 2 CD (album) cover

Room - Pre-Flight CD (album) cover

Ariel - A Strange Fantastic Dream CD (album) cover


That last one is Australian ...





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Admin- can this thread be moved to "Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation" category, please?

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The Long Hello are a group made up mostly from members of Van der Graaf Generator, although musically they bear little resemblance to VdGG, instead sounding somewhat jazzy and instrumental (the group doesn't include Peter Hammill).
 

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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

 What may be interesting here with these two albums is that today, they certainly can't be considered as obscure.
The list I provided is just to start the conversation about lesser know bands, 2nd tier progressive rock bands from UK that haven't been that successful in 70s.  How many treads, Polls, Top 15 lists we can have about bands like Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, VdGG, KC and their albums? I am just "testing the water" David_D

That's very fine, Enigmatic, I'm not questioning your intention with this thread. 
I just like the fact that some 70's bands which certainly were more concerned with musical ambitions than with commercial succes, today have become quite popular.
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