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Poll Question: What event made you think it was over?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 17:36
Why would anyone possibly think the game is up?

In case you haven't realized, once a genre is created it NEVER dies!

Yes, they still make classical music, jazz, Indian ragas!

And people make $$$ at it!

There are more prog bands in existence now than all of the 70s i would guess.

Why do so many wanna play the PROG DIED game? LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 17:29
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Why isnt punk rock an option, because thats the right answer

Punk did not kill prog, I don't see how it could have. 
It was the lack of support from labels, ridicule from the media of the time, a lot of bands honoring contracts and delivering whatever (Love Beach is such an example, also Tormato), bands asked to make their sound more accessible (Gentle Giant, ELO, Yes), some bands going on hiatus or disbanding, bands tired of their former sound (Genesis, or at least Mike Rutherford said so), musicians tired of touring needing a break.

Not that black and white...

The question is "what made you think that...?" not "what killed...?"
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Originally posted by rik wilson rik wilson wrote:

Having been the manager of a record store from 1970-1980 ; I feel when disco edged into the scene around 1977 and suddenly everybody had to "boogie down" and buy only maxi-singles, that was the death of prog related bands. Furthermore some proggers jumped on  the disco bandwagon with feeble attempts at making "big twelve inch" beat heavy music. Very sad. You know who you are.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 16:14
I would sooner think that the rise of punk was symptomatic (a symptom/ evidence) of Prog's decline in health rather than Punk being the cause of it, and even then I think that would be too simplistic an analysis.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 15:44
Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Why isnt punk rock an option, because thats the right answer

Punk did not kill prog, I don't see how it could have. 
It was the lack of support from labels, ridicule from the media of the time, a lot of bands honoring contracts and delivering whatever (Love Beach is such an example, also Tormato), bands asked to make their sound more accessible (Gentle Giant, ELO, Yes), some bands going on hiatus or disbanding, bands tired of their former sound (Genesis, or at least Mike Rutherford said so), musicians tired of touring needing a break.

Not that black and white...
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Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Why isnt punk rock an option, because thats the right answer

Probably because the Sex Pistols had already broken up and New Wave had already outshined punk by the time The Wall was released.
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Why isnt punk rock an option, because thats the right answer
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

The second Just for Fun-poll disguised as a Prog poll in a few days. But the real game almost up was a matter of zeitgeist: the classic bands fell into decline in 1978 and the momentum of punk/new wave in 1977 was another severe blow.

No vote since one option is sorely missing here: the retirement of left hand of Tony Banks sometime in the early 80's.

Okay I love Genesis' pop stuff but that's still hilarious! LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:57
As recent annual polls showed, there was a substantial lull in the 1985-1990 period, but before that and after that plenty worthwhile stuff.  In terms of any degree of critical/mass acceptance, one could argue it was either punk in 1976 or arena rock around the same time that scuttled prog as a pop culture leader, with only a few exceptions like "The Wall", by which time Pink Floyd was known by all, and only seen by some as prog.  By the time Genesis were big they were for the most part not prog.  Ditto for the arena rockers like Styx, ELO, Queen, and others who never were prog but helped kill it anyway, like REO.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:53
^ If that was the case, prog would have been still born... Tongue

I got into prog when neo-prog was starting, so for me it has never been over. I had heard Pink Floyd, some Genesis, Kayak, Focus, Ekseption a.o. before but wasn't aware at that time of the "progressive" label (and then, if I remember well, "symphonic rock" was a more generally used label in the record stores - in the Netherlands).

But, if there is one major sign of the waning of the first prog wave, it must be that ELP album cover...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote rik wilson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:28
Having been the manager of a record store from 1970-1980 ; I feel when disco edged into the scene around 1977 and suddenly everybody had to "boogie down" and buy only maxi-singles, that was the death of prog related bands. Furthermore some proggers jumped on  the disco bandwagon with feeble attempts at making "big twelve inch" beat heavy music. Very sad. You know who you are.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:13
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Good grief, it isn't over! Stronger than ever these days😎

Some of you people need to stop living in the past! 🙄
 
Unless some of us people happen to be fans of Jethro Tull. Tongue
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The game was up for classic prog around about 1980, but all was not lost, as the birth of the Neo-Prog era was just around the corner. Smile

80/81 

In 1980 you had Drama by Yes, Permanent Waves by Rush and Duke by Genesis (which still had some very proggy stuff on it).

In 1981 you had Discipline by King Crimson, Moving Pictures by Rush and Nude by Camel.

In 1982 you had Asia's debut and Signals by Rush. I still like these two but they aren't as prog as the others I mentioned in the two years before them. In 1982 you also had the beginnings of neo prog which could be considered a watered down version of prog. 

I don't think neo-prog is a watered down version of prog, what IQ, Twelfth Night and Marillion were doing in 1982-1983 was the proof that people still wanted to listen to prog (a bad word back then LOL), they gathered a following, created a scene. No watered down genre can do that. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:11
I don't think I ever thought the best was over. I took each and every example you listed above in stride...ok, in disappointed stride. But I can remember exactly where I was and what I felt the first time I saw the Love Beach cover in the record store. It was not a good feeling, although side two kept me from out right crying.


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The second Just for Fun-poll disguised as a Prog poll in a few days. But the real game almost up was a matter of zeitgeist: the classic bands fell into decline in 1978 and the momentum of punk/new wave in 1977 was another severe blow.

No vote since one option is sorely missing here: the retirement of left hand of Tony Banks sometime in the early 80's.
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Good grief, it isn't over! Stronger than ever these days😎

Some of you people need to stop living in the past! 🙄
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:00
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The game was up for classic prog around about 1980, but all was not lost, as the birth of the Neo-Prog era was just around the corner. Smile

80/81 

In 1980 you had Drama by Yes, Permanent Waves by Rush and Duke by Genesis (which still had some very proggy stuff on it).

In 1981 you had Discipline by King Crimson, Moving Pictures by Rush and Nude by Camel.

In 1982 you had Asia's debut and Signals by Rush. I still like these two but they aren't as prog as the others I mentioned in the two years before them. In 1982 you also had the beginnings of neo prog which could be considered a watered down version of prog. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 12:59
There should've been an "Other" option because the thing that made me think that great music was coming to an end during the late '70s was the growing popularity of Reggae on the radio station I listened to.
 

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